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flynnibus

Premium Member
Depending where a beach rental person can make a rather nice living as can an arcade tech. I know somebody that bought a rather nice house just outside NYC doing arcade maintenance/management. Both are actual jobs that involve actual work
Again... it's not about if those jobs are good or not... it's that those jobs can't support what *I WANT* -- so it's on me to pursue a career that will satisfy my needs... not demand someone pay me what my lifestyle choices want for whatever job I want to do. You accept that my wants are not compatible with that job and so you pursue one that will meet your wants.
 

Brian

Well-Known Member
Again... it's not about if those jobs are good or not... it's that those jobs can't support what *I WANT* -- so it's on me to pursue a career that will satisfy my needs... not demand someone pay me what my lifestyle choices want for whatever job I want to do. You accept that my wants are not compatible with that job and so you pursue one that will meet your wants.
But why work hard to move up and take on additional responsibilities when you can stay in the same entry level job your entire career and demand your company pay you $5/hour more for the same responsibilities every five years while screaming that anything less means you can't even live.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
But why work hard to move up and take on additional responsibilities when you can stay in the same entry level job your entire career and demand your company pay you $5/hour more for the same responsibilities every five years while screaming that anything less means you can't even live.
Well, let's not lose the message for trying to spite people. $5 every 5 years could be construed as more inflationary adjustments for a role's wages to be relevant to the market. That's a question about the JOB's pay and what it takes to attract the right kind of qualified people. Let's not bemoan a union working to increase wages for jobs as relevant to the market.

Where things get off the rails is when an individual thinks the Job's pay should be based on THEIR PERSONAL NEED... because they WANT that job and don't want to do a different job. Well, that's where an individual's wants don't get to live in a disconnected reality from the one the job must exist in.

If your job is easily fulfilled by someone willing to work for 1/4 the pay - and you aren't able to delivery 4x the value... you're not going to be successful finding someone willing to pay you 4x more than the new guy.

Too many people want growth in pay without acknowledging they need to provide more value to sustain that growth in cost.

Everyone wants to retain good employees, and good pay is *one piece* of retaining valuable employees, but too many think their presence is good enough and their pay should follow their life needs... instead of acknowledging that jobs can and should have ceilings on their earning potentials. Not every type of role can support every lifestyle.

To do that, we'd do away with a lot more workers and expect a hell of a lot more from individuals because you can't just throw bodies at a problem if every body comes with such great overhead costs.
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
But why work hard to move up and take on additional responsibilities when you can stay in the same entry level job your entire career and demand your company pay you $5/hour more for the same responsibilities every five years while screaming that anything less means you can't even live.
Self actuated accountability - it takes less risk to go through life saying "I am owed" rather than "I earned".

I earn what I earn. Do I think I am worth more??, You Bet!! However, I am at a point where most of the Maslow's Hierarchy is taken care of.
 

Brian

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Well, let's not lose the message for trying to spite people. $5 every 5 years could be construed as more inflationary adjustments for a role's wages to be relevant to the market. That's a question about the JOB's pay and what it takes to attract the right kind of qualified people. Let's not bemoan a union working to increase wages for jobs as relevant to the market.
I'm not trying to spite. After all, I started in those front line jobs. But $5 every five years seems to outpace inflation, and if it continues well into the future, we're not far away from the $50 minimum wage everyone sane people laughed at when proposed by a CA senate candidate.

Everyone wants to retain good employees, and good pay is *one piece* of retaining valuable employees, but too many think their presence is good enough and their pay should follow their life needs... instead of acknowledging that jobs can and should have ceilings on their earning potentials. Not every type of role can support every lifestyle.
This is an increasing problem.

It's also worth mentioning that Disney provides not only higher than average pay in the Central FL market, but also benefits like Disney Aspire, where non-exempt employees could finish their high school diploma, and get both a bachelor's and a master's in a field of their choice at no cost to them, including books. This program remains unrivaled when compared to other companies of Disney's scale (AFAIK) in terms of the amount of coverage it provides.

This benefit helps the employee become more marketable both inside and outside the company, helping them to access job opportunities that would otherwise be out of reach, and make the money they want/need.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
I supposed everyone gets fired when they get to Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Final song of the shift, EVERY shift, is Free Bird.
Just, please, no Lynyrd Skynyrd jokes on the Jungle Cruise...

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TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
I’m not sure what the solution is… Disney is having a hard time staffing parks at current rates, one of the reasons they agreed to the increasing pay (starting is now $18 an hour).

Who is supposed to work at Disney Parks? If you are over 20 and still working at a Disney park apparently you’re a complete loser with no motivation that doesn’t have a “real job” - ok so where are all these 18 & 19 year olds coming from? I’m guessing they are using all the CP’s they can find!
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
If Iger worked for $0/year with no equity position and all of his pay and equity equivalent were to be equally distributed to the remaining employees of $DIS, everyone would receive the equivalent of roughly a $0.06/hr raise.
To look at it another way, every $50k they don’t pay him buys another f/t CM.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member

Exactly. The company doesn't want to pay employees any more than they have to. The consequence to that is accepting a narrow field of candidates that will apply for the role and losing the ability to strictly enforce appearance guidelines for fear of losing otherwise talented and capable employees.

Disney could try to enforce Disney Look, and start writing up and terminating employees that don't meet the criteria, but the overall gain to them, weighed against the additional costs of hiring, training, and retaining new employees, would not be justified.

At the end of the day, the situation will remain largely unchanged from what it is today.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
I’m not sure what the solution is… Disney is having a hard time staffing parks at current rates, one of the reasons they agreed to the increasing pay (starting is now $18 an hour).

Who is supposed to work at Disney Parks? If you are over 20 and still working at a Disney park apparently you’re a complete loser with no motivation that doesn’t have a “real job” - ok so where are all these 18 & 19 year olds coming from? I’m guessing they are using all the CP’s they can find!
I wouldn’t call anyone a loser who works an honest job.

You just explained why I don’t think we’ll ever see a 5th park at WDW though, it’s also why I call it the dog chasing his tail, a low paying job will always be a low paying job (relative to prices) no matter how much it pays. As Disney raises pay for “low skill” jobs everyone else has to simultaneously raise rates for ”skilled” jobs to remain competitive, as a result prices go up and everyone’s buying power remains relative despite pay going up.

The world will always need dishwashers, my first job, but that doesn’t make it a career that should be able to provide for a family.

People say bootstrappers like it’s a negative but I bet most of us who believe in pulling yourself up did exactly that, I went from dishwasher to line cook to prep cook to back of house supervisor, all while in high school, while a full time student in college I worked as a server at nights and during the summers at an amusement park (Lagoon in Utah) and it’s the most fun I’ve ever had working, a job I’d have loved to keep but it paid horribly, after dropping out of college I got a job at a call center, where I self taught myself Microsoft office and became a supervisor, and eventually became an assistant operations manager, when I moved to Las Vegas (where there’s a ton of call centers) I took a “temporary” job as a barback (a food and beverage job I never thought I’d return to) while searching for a FT call center management job, I was breaking my back as a barback but it paid well so I quit looking for a call center management job, worked my way into a FT spot, and eventually became a bartender, then a FT bartender, then I got into casino beverage management, it was a pay cut and more hours but easier on the body, then I went back to bartending for the money, back to management for the ease, etc I currently work 2 bartending jobs and pick up gig work when I can, I could survive on one job but am stashing away money to retire and spend way to much on Disney and travel.

All that to say bootstrapping is a good thing, I could have stayed a dishwasher and fought for more pay but I’d never have learned the skills to be where I am today.
 
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Lilofan

Well-Known Member
And both are equally unskilled jobs.

Also, given how frequently the TSA fail their tests, I'd argue that Disney CMs should earn more than the TSA.
Just went through TSA to catch my flight. A mistake overlooking a bag with an illegal item could mean life and death to the souls flying on that flight. A mistake a custodial CM makes can be corrected and job completed to standard. You are making TSA as unskilled which may be the case but their responsibility to protect lives and catch the bad guys supersedes a park greeter position that makes similar or more per hour.
 

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