TP2000
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I don't think you need to worry about In-N-Out. They aren't changing. And their lines here in SoCal are always a mile long.
It's a thing.
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I don't think you need to worry about In-N-Out. They aren't changing. And their lines here in SoCal are always a mile long.
It's a thing.
Patcheslee
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RunningKoen
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You could have a tattoo of a Pentagram or other Satanic symbols/words and claim that it's your firmly held religious belief.
The rules on tats are very vague and obviously not being enforced already.
But let's crack down on sunglasses. Now there's the key to great customer service!
A pentagram isn't satanic. The basics of five pointed star are widely used for non satanic reasons ;-)
Could you try to be a bit less negative?
I'm the first to join you in the ' they aren't enforcing their own rules' in augustus, but it's a bit soon for that, isn't it?
Also: Is it possible that rules for things like sunglasses are easier to describe while rules like tattoo's rely more on experience with it, moderation and some patience?
GrumpyFan
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Maybe I'm mis-reading or misunderstanding it, but I didn't see anything about that.
Visible tattoos are permitted, with the exception of placement on the face, head or neck. Tattoos must be no larger than the Cast Member’s hand when fully extended with the fingers held together.
Tattoos that depict nudity, offensive or inappropriate language or images, or violate Company policies (including policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment based on race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, ancestry, age, disability or any other protected category) are not permitted.
TP2000
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Unfortunately, there is no such mention of political images or slogans. Political tattoos are not prohibited.
TATTOOS
Visible tattoos are permitted, with the exception of placement on the face, head or neck.
Tattoos must be no larger than the Cast Member’s hand when fully extended with the fingers held together.
Undergarments, which include matching fabric tattoo sleeves, are permitted for coverage of larger tattoos on the arms.
Tattoos that depict nudity, offensive or inappropriate language or images, or violate Company policies (including policies prohibiting discrimination and harassment based on race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, ancestry, age, disability or any other protected category) are not permitted.
Figgy1
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My bad
GrumpyFan
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In and of itself, no, it's not satanic, but when it's displayed, it's usually in a representation of Satanism, which would classify as a religious belief. It's a slippery slope. All it takes is one guest or other CM making a complaint.
GrumpyFan
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For the time being.
I fully expect this will expand, but then if it does, how do they stay clear of restricting speech and beliefs?
If they allow one thing, and not the other, then that turns into a potential discrimination suit.
RunningKoen
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Eventually it will. Maybe not this year ;-)I don't think you need to worry about In-N-Out. They aren't changing. And their lines here in SoCal are always a mile long.
It's a thing.
But in theory time, a no tattoo policy can become too expensive to maintain.
Considering the current shift between generations in both the % of people having a tatto and the % of people (dis)approving tattoo's at the workplace, I assume none of those policies are sustainable.
Californian Elitist
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Disney won’t care about their employees and provide the generous benefits In-N-Out provides for their employees, with or without these new appearance changes. Let’s be honest. Disney is well-known for not being very nice to work for, where one rarely hears In-N-Out employees expressing negativity towards the company.Here in SoCal, we have In-N-Out Burger which is famous for it's meticulously clean cut and well groomed employees that match its spotless restaurants. In-N-Out employees have no visible tats, men must have short hair, no facial hair, no piercings, no wild finger nail polish, and very modest makeup for ladies; a look that is reminiscent of Disney's theme park employees in the 1960's to 1990's.
In-N-Out Burger always pays several dollars more per hour than Disneyland does. Disneyland starts at $15 an hour now, one dollar above California minimum wage (that increases to $15 an hour in 8 months). But In-N-Out starts at $18 to $19 an hour at burger stands just a few blocks from Disneyland.
In-N-Out Burger has very high standards for grooming and appearance, but they have to pay their employees quite a bit more to get and maintain those higher standards. And it really shows.
You have to be good, and look the part, to get a job at In-N-Out with their $18+ starting wages in SoCal. You don't have to look this good or abide by these tough standards to get a job at McDonald's or Wal-Mart for minimum wage.
I'm surprised at how few CM's realize this basic rule of economics is a part of this latest lowering of standards for Disney employees.
Many of the CM's posting here seem to have bought into the "Inclusion" angle from their company hook, line and sinker. When in reality, all they are doing is helping to depress current and future wage growth for themselves and future Disney employees.
I'm not saying this is the entire reason for these changes, but it's a very big part of the reason. CM's seem far too willing to just ignore basic economics and instead say "Woohoo! I can now show all my gorgeous tats in Fantasyland! Disney loves me now!"
In-N-Out is in their own league in many ways. I feel using them as counter example doesn’t quite work.
TP2000
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Satanic symbols are creepy and gross, that's about all I need to know.
I'm not being negative, merely chatting on a board about tatted up Cast Members working in Fantasyland. I'm of the opinion that does absolutely nothing to improve the Disneyland or Disney World show.
But negative? What's to be negative about? I'm sitting here on the patio in my gorgeous hillside garden on a beautiful day in SoCal. The hummingbirds are flitting about, the sea breeze is wafting, and I'm starting to wonder what I might have for a cocktail in an hour or so to kick off the weekend. I'm in a fabulous mood, as per my usual!
I would think that Day One would be the day that regulations were strictly enforced and management was on top of it. I can think of no such example of a new rule or regulation that gets stricter as time goes on. It's usually the opposite. That things already look as poorly supervised as they are these first few days is not a good sign.
They could have written whatever rules they wanted for tats. They could have limited the number allowed to be displayed, the physical size in inches, etc., etc. They chose not to. The rules they created for tattoos are very vague and open to broad interpretation by anyone. What's "offensive" mean? What's nudity exactly? Is a lingerie lady "nudity"? I don't think so, because she's still obscuring her nipples and pubic area.
RunningKoen
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imagery in general is very open to interpretation and representation.
The opening of the Da Vinci Code movie has a nice section of that.
There's much to figure out for this. Im sure they will balance things out in the end.
TrainsOfDisney
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I don’t see In-N-Out or Chik-fil-A changing anytime soon.
Californian Elitist
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This is a 90s Disney Channel original. It used to air on Sundays a lot. I know this because I distinctly remember coming home from church multiple times, turning on the Disney Channel, and finding Can of Worms on.I found this interesting.
I was looking for an image to post about how I think allowing tattoos are a can of worms for Disney.
I've never heard of this!
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It might be on Disney+, in case you want to watch it.
Chick-fil-A would start to open on Sundays before they would ever allow their staff to wear tattoos.
TP2000
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Down the hill from me a couple miles there is an In-N-Out and a Chick-Fil-A right next to each other and they share the same parking lot.
It's heaven!
My relative's Wall Street peers attended a meeting several years ago with billionaire Zuckerberg in attendance.All were dressed in suits and the CEO of Facebook actually did come in wearing a hoodie and sneakers.
RunningKoen
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The pentagram can be used in satanic imagery. that doesnt make it satanic itself.
' All lions are cats, but not all cats are lions'
And because of that, the pentagram is the perfect example of why you can't enforce a tattoo rule within 1 day.
I can draw a very scary, satanic thing in a circle. Doesnt make every circle satanic. Imagery is complex.
Each tattoo is so unique, and for a perfect result, should be 'checked' and ' judged'. Manager can/will check the CM's and approve and disapprove things.
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