flynnibus
Premium Member
You're not making much sense. Perhaps you should take a break:
I guess it does sound rather absurd that anyone would look up to you. Sarcasm should include at least a thread of believable.
You're not making much sense. Perhaps you should take a break:
Adulation from a message board is pretty low on my priority list of life accomplishments. It is one of my many flaws.I guess it does sound rather absurd that anyone would look up to you. Sarcasm should include at least a thread of believable.
Trying to suggest the new system is better is not even in the realm of acceptable...
Then there can be no debate, or at least no reason for one.
If it's so great... Where are the flood of copycats? Why isn't dining both on and off property copying the model?
Where are the flood of random posters here and elsewhere singing how great it is?
Where is the line up of posters praising how great it is to have to eat at a fixed time while at Disney?
ADRs themselves are disgusted... And this model here is the worst of both worlds. Lack of flexibility and lack of advance awareness of success.
Thank you for making my point.
If it's so great... Where are the flood of copycats? Why isn't dining both on and off property copying the model?
Where are the flood of random posters here and elsewhere singing how great it is?
Where is the line up of posters praising how great it is to have to eat at a fixed time while at Disney?
ADRs themselves are disgusted... And this model here is the worst of both worlds. Lack of flexibility and lack of advance awareness of success.
Hold on.. I need to channel @jakeman
I am not locked in my belief. Convince me. The problem is you have nothing to support your position so all I see is a post proving a point that you have nothing to actually support your belief. A belief that everything else flies in the face of.. even outside this thread. Sounds to me like you have the sides flipped.
I really feel for those CMs that have to sit out there for hours and turn guest after guest away.. explaining to them 'sorry, early bird gets the worm! But please try our alternatives like Cosmic Rays!'
How many on and off site restaurants have similar demand with similrly constrained hours?
Since when is the number of posters on a topic equal determine whether something is correct? Argue on the merits of the issue.
I'll ask a few additional questions:
Should bog be first come first serve?
If everyone who wanted to eat at bog stood in line instead of passing on dining there due to the wait, what would the queue length look like?
If the above scenario took place, would you rather have an actual three hour wait or a virtual one?
If the line is 4 hours long and it is 1 pm, is is reasonable to cut off the line at some point when it reaches into dinner hours?
How is this different from a return pass system?
I'm sorry, you are now suggesting 'lunch hours' is some new unique thing that makes BoG special? Surely you are joking?
It's called a SAMPLE - and one of the most popular WDW websites on the planet is a good start. Feel free to browse the entire internet and find some clips to prove otherwise. Until then, yup, you can't find the swarm of praise of this.
There is this concept called a feedback loop. In lines, it works to regulate the wait. It is powerful because it allows each person to make their own decision, and the line regulates itself vs demand.
Second, not everyone shows up to eat at the same time - another self regulating portion of the line that people condition themselves to work within. People know if they wait a bit longer, they can avoid the lunch rush, etc.
What you also gloss over is the idea of an open line is it widen's the window of opportunity. So instead of just people who are there in a 30min window having the option to chose to eat at BoG or not... a wider range of guests over a multiple hour window get to make that decision or not.
The virtual wait on it's own is not a bad idea - the problem is it doesn't work on its own. It sacrafices too many other things. If they simply handed out passes for those that wanted to return later with a minimized wait... people would be less upset. The problem is that's not what they've done - instead they've eliminated choice, pushed more of their guests into a longer wait (virtual or not), and again added the requirement of planning and constraints to something that everywhere else people can do without.
Sure - and that's what they did prior. But your justification ignores the key points that it consolidates all availability into a small window, eliminates choice, and doesn't actually do anything to improve efficiency for the resturant or the guests. The only thing it does is keeps people from queuing up. You cherry pick elements and avoid using them in the system as a whole.
Which system if you want to be specific?
Which counter service resturants do you know rely on and guests praise a return pass system for? Again.. not constrained to Disney... show us where this is preferred?
Now, I'm told over and over that I'm wrong, stupid, an insider, unwilling to listen, etc. tell me why my logic for me is wrong?
It was established several posts above that finding clips on use internet is useless. If they like it they are all just shills with pixie dust...unless they are here and oppose this new system.
Feedback loops are fine, but they lock out people too. For everyone blocked out because the restaurant reached capacity in the new system, there is someone in the old system blocked out because the line was too long. I won't claim that one patron is more valuable than the other, but I am one of the latter patrons, so it is better for me and people like me.
So instead of finding credible stories.. you don't try at all. How convenient.
I won't bother anymore because you can't seem to grasp the core concepts of things being a function of time.
Feel free to come back later and share with us your great experiences dedicating time to get a meal ticket.
Like I said, arguing is pointless because you are too entrenched in your opinion. Again, you've made my point.
The only point you've made is whenever someone supports their belief with reasonable points.. you can't counter them or do the same. You do the 'nah nah I can't hear you' dance and just claim everyone is entrenched with their opinion.
What you think is 'entrenched' is people actually posting things to SUPPORT an opinion - you haven't done so. Instead making comments like the fact BoG lunch has restricted hours makes it special or something..![]()
If everyone who wanted to eat at bog stood in line instead of passing on dining there due to the wait, what would the queue length look like?
I won't claim that one patron is more valuable than the other, but I am one of the latter patrons, so it is better for me and people like me.
And I'll disagree. It is absolutely a virtual line. When standing in line, you don't get a choice for how slow or fast the line will move. And in a virtual line you don't either.
I was prepared to respond, but @flynnibus already explained better than I could. By your own admission, you're not waiting in a long queue, and you will hardly be the only one who passes on Be Our Guest for that reason. The queue is literally self regulating - you don't need a policy to enforce shorter lines. The critical difference is that its then your choice not to dine there; You aren't told you can't because all slots are taken.
It's perfectly fine that you like the 'return card' system better, and that it works better for you. But that's just your opinion. In appraising the worth of a virtual queue versus a standard line it must be examined objectively. Again, even really 'bad' ideas are usually favored by somebody.
You are free to refer to it as a virtual line, but it effectively functions as a dining reservation. You are given a time when to return, like an ADR, rather than being served when you reach the front of the (virtual or actual) 'line', whenever that may be. If the 'virtual line' moves unusually quick (such as people exiting a queue/not returning) you won't be served earlier with the current 'reservation' system, whereas you might be if it actually functioned more as a virtual queue.
I was prepared to respond, but @flynnibus already explained better than I could. By your own admission, you're not waiting in a long queue, and you will hardly be the only one who passes on Be Our Guest for that reason. The queue is literally self regulating - you don't need a policy to enforce shorter lines. The critical difference is that its then your choice not to dine there; You aren't told you can't because all slots are taken.
It's perfectly fine that you like the 'return card' system better, and that it works better for you. But that's just your opinion. In appraising the worth of a virtual queue versus a standard line it must be examined objectively. Again, even really 'bad' ideas are usually favored by somebody.
You are free to refer to it as a virtual line, but it effectively functions as a dining reservation. You are given a time when to return, like an ADR, rather than being served when you reach the front of the (virtual or actual) 'line', whenever that may be. If the 'virtual line' moves unusually quick (such as people exiting a queue/not returning) you won't be served earlier with the current 'reservation' system, whereas you might be if it actually functioned more as a virtual queue.
I gave plenty of reasonable point. You simply claim they are unreasonable. Would you like me to write them again?
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