New Be Our Guest lunch line procedure (Test?)

[AEfx]

I've said this earlier in this thread, but MK is not lacking in QS dining, nor is a perceived lack of QS dining responsible for the long lines and high demand BOG receives. Now, if you were to say MK lacks TS options (hence turning Tortuga into temporary buffet restaurant during peak) or comparable, highly-immersive, iconic themed QS locations to draw away some of BOG's demand, then I'd agree with you.

That's the essential issue that the "just eat somewhere else" folks are completely, willfully ignoring.

This isn't just "another place to eat". Disney has gone and made an attraction out of a counter service restaurant. An attraction that has been promoted quite heavily on television especially as one of the cornerstones of NFL. This nonsensical "test" they have going on now is akin to telling folks "Sorry, you only get to go on TLM if you have booked a FP+ out by invitation a month or two early, or if you happen to know to come here right first thing when we start giving out return tickets at an unannounced time in the AM".

They just need to expand the hours to 10AM to Close, and make the entire thing QS - this militaristic, exclusionary and downright ridiculous system they are trying to enforce is one of the most distasteful things I have ever seen at WDW. You don't have to have a reservation for CRT to see and or walk around the Castle, yet you can't even get close to Beast's Castle unless you have a timed pass. It's ludicrous.

 

[FigmentFreak]

That's the essential issue that the "just eat somewhere else" folks are completely, willfully ignoring.

This isn't just "another place to eat". Disney has gone and made an attraction out of a counter service restaurant. An attraction that has been promoted quite heavily on television especially as one of the cornerstones of NFL. This nonsensical "test" they have going on now is akin to telling folks "Sorry, you only get to go on TLM if you have booked a FP+ out by invitation a month or two early, or if you happen to know to come here right first thing when we start giving out return tickets at an unannounced time in the AM".

They just need to expand the hours to 10AM to Close, and make the entire thing QS - this militaristic, exclusionary and downright ridiculous system they are trying to enforce is one of the most distasteful things I have ever seen at WDW. You don't have to have a reservation for CRT to see and or walk around the Castle, yet you can't even get close to Beast's Castle unless you have a timed pass. It's ludicrous.

I see an opportunity for an up-charge event. $50 will get you a walking tour and a chance to ogle the food as it is delivered to people that are eating in Beast's castle, for an additional $25 you can take pictures while you're touring, and at no extra cost, for now,you can pick up scraps off the floor to snack on.

 

[stevehousse]

Just curious...how much time do you save daily by not spelling out "you" and "are"? As a follow up question, do you feel the amount of time you save is enough to offset the lower opinion people may have of your conversation ability?

Also, accusing someone of being a plant is considered trolling around these parts.

Who cares if I use abbreviations in typed conversation? LOL Sorry my shortcuts bother U!

 

[jakeman]

Just curious... how much less do you think people think of you for going out of your way just to make a post like this? Do you think people need you policing other posters for them? As a follow up question, do you feel the amount of gratification you feel for calling someone out like that is enough to offset the lower opinion people may have of your conversation ability?

I'm just going to assume those are rhetorical as they can be applied to almost every one of your needlessly argumentative post.

With that said, I'm pleasantly surprised to see I aggravated you enough in the other thread that you felt the need to follow me in here.

Welcome! I hope our conversation today is as stimulating as the previous one.

 

[dupac]

That's the essential issue that the "just eat somewhere else" folks are completely, willfully ignoring.

This isn't just "another place to eat". Disney has gone and made an attraction out of a counter service restaurant. An attraction that has been promoted quite heavily on television especially as one of the cornerstones of NFL. This nonsensical "test" they have going on now is akin to telling folks "Sorry, you only get to go on TLM if you have booked a FP+ out by invitation a month or two early, or if you happen to know to come here right first thing when we start giving out return tickets at an unannounced time in the AM".

They just need to expand the hours to 10AM to Close, and make the entire thing QS - this militaristic, exclusionary and downright ridiculous system they are trying to enforce is one of the most distasteful things I have ever seen at WDW. You don't have to have a reservation for CRT to see and or walk around the Castle, yet you can't even get close to Beast's Castle unless you have a timed pass. It's ludicrous.

If TSMM eliminated the stand-by line yet kept regular FP along with a limited invitation-only FP+, we'd have a similar situation to the line-managing going on at BOG. A ride people used to RACE to.

 

[jakeman]

Who cares if I use abbreviations in typed conversation? LOL Sorry my shortcuts bother U!

I never said I cared. I just asked a couple of questions. I would be more worried about your persistent accusation of posters being Disney plants. Both the site owner and the mods have asked that practice to be stopped as it is not conducive to an exchange of ideas.

 

[dadddio]

KEY DIFFERENCE: It used to be 'if you are going to get the most out of it'. Now, it's "to participate at all"

Before it was about optimizing.. hence optional. What it has changed to is, you miss out on elements entirely unless you partake in the work.

That is what people don't like about the advance booking aspect of things... and how it's different. It's no longer 'optimization' for yourself, but now about 'avoiding getting left out'.

There's plenty of examples of how it's pretty much always been that way.

If you didn't understand the FP system, then you were not going to have time for some attractions.
If you don't know to make an ADR 120 days in advance, then you are not going to eat at some restaurants.
If you don't know that need to schedule more than one day to see all of MK, you miss out.
etc

 

[dadddio]

As most websites devoted to Walt Disney World are dominated by pixie-dusted fans and overzealous apologists for The Walt Disney Company, that's hardly surprising. There are more WDWMagic members, arguably (particularly on this board), who expect Disney to uphold its own established standards and aren't willing to settle for institutionalized mediocrity.

Regardless of whether or not they are also true Scotsman, their opinions are just as valid as yours.

But the point is a Google search is not representative of diners at Be Our Guest; At best, it represents persons who are members of internet sites pertaining to Disney. You can no more assume those other threads accurately reflect the opinions of BOG guests than you can assume this thread does.

Your point is self-evident. I never took the position that anyone's opinion was an accurate representative of all BoG guests (or potential BoG guests). In fact, my post was merely to counter those who take the position that most everybody agrees with the naysayers in this thread.

 

[flynnibus]

There's plenty of examples of how it's pretty much always been that way.

If you didn't understand the FP system, then you were not going to have time for some attractions.
If you don't know to make an ADR 120 days in advance, then you are not going to eat at some restaurants.
If you don't know that need to schedule more than one day to see all of MK, you miss out.
etc

Your #1 and #3 try to be the same thing.. and are weak stretches.
#2 - No one plans for ADRs for QS restaurants

Your super stretch of 'the informed are always better off' is true, but doesn't negate that the new system now excludes more people than before.

It is not common knowledge that if you want to eat lunch, you should go get a ticket at 10am.

Disney should stop the charade and just make it all ADR/FP only like they've done elsewhere.

This situation reeks of "we want to do this.. but some agreement prevents us.. so we'll just use this workaround"

 

[AEfx]

If you didn't understand the FP system, then you were not going to have time for some attractions.

But you COULD still CHOOSE to stand in line for any one in particular that you wish.

I know you must be being intentionally obtuse here. I get that you think this is all fine and dandy, and day after day tell people that "go elsewhere", etc. - but I really don't believe that you don't get this, just that somehow you enjoy being contrary to folks and get off saying "too bad, so sad".

 

[flynnibus]

I'm just going to assume those are rhetorical as they can be applied to almost every one of your needlessly argumentative post.

Oh yeah?!??!

With that said, I'm pleasantly surprised to see I aggravated you enough in the other thread that you felt the need to follow me in here.

You wish you had some relevance. For everyone else, they would see I've been active on this thread since Aug 7. So I guess your post deserves another...

 

[dadddio]

Your super stretch of 'the informed are always better off' is true, but doesn't negate that the new system now excludes more people than before.

I'd like to see your evidence of that. Under the old system, X number of people were interested in eating lunch at BoG, but only Y were able to. Under the new system, X number of people are interested in eating at BoG, but only Y are able to.

X and Y haven't changed.

 

[dadddio]

But you COULD still CHOOSE to stand in line for any one in particular that you wish.

I know you must be being intentionally obtuse here. I get that you think this is all fine and dandy, and day after day tell people that "go elsewhere", etc. - but I really don't believe that you don't get this, just that somehow you enjoy being contrary to folks and get off saying "too bad, so sad".

I think that communication is better when you respond to posts in the context in which they were made.

 

[jakeman]

Oh yeah?!??!

That response is disappointing. I would expect someone with your expertise in eructing bovine ordure to be more able to respond than just 2 words, a smiley, and a smattering of punctuation.

You wish you had some relevance. For everyone else, they would see I've been active on this thread since Aug 7. So I guess your post deserves another...

Yet you felt the need to respond specifically to me when you could have gone right by.

As for wishing for relevance, that is a strange statement.

 

[flynnibus]

I'd like to see your evidence of that. Under the old system, X number of people were interested in eating lunch at BoG, but only Y were able to. Under the new system, X number of people are interested in eating at BoG, but only Y are able to.

X and Y haven't changed.

The equation includes more than X and Y
You forget an entire time dimension and the significance of WHEN someone attempts to enter the line, and what the line was like when they tried to enter it.

Your queuing theory is atrocious.

The restaurant did not operate with everyone getting in one line all at one time until the capacity was spoken for. Now it effectively does.

Excluding people is not just about the sum of your total capacity.

 

[flynnibus]

That response is disappointing. I would expect someone with your expertise in eructing bovine ordure to be more able to respond than just 2 words, a smiley, and a smattering of punctuation.

I was just trying to be like my biggest hero... they were so effective for you how could I not want to be just like you?

Oh wait.. you didn't find it effective? Wow.. I wonder if anyone thought yours were??!?!

 

[jakeman]

I was just trying to be like my biggest hero... they were so effective for you how could I not want to be just like you?

Oh wait.. you didn't find it effective? Wow.. I wonder if anyone thought yours were??!?!

You're not making much sense. Perhaps you should take a break:

 

[YankeeMouse]

Since this ends Sept 27, according to what I can see (a couple days ago I got a FP+ for Sept 27 but could not access any days after that even though my trip extends beyond that), was it done because of the queue being without shade? A summer thing?

 

[stevehousse]

Since this ends Sept 27, according to what I can see (a couple days ago I got a FP+ for Sept 27 but could not access any days after that even though my trip extends beyond that), was it done because of the queue being without shade? A summer thing?

No this is something entirely different. This is about how they removed the stand by line in favor of paper fast passes that get sold out in less than 30 minutes and thus no one is able to get in line and actually wait, they need to have a fp+ or a paper FP only to gain entrance.

 

[stevehousse]

Actually, I never said that the new process was the best thing ever or that it was awesome. Nor have I defended it 'like my life depended on it. I've also not been the only one to post my support for it. But you go on working from your same playbook, if you need to.

Ur responses have seemed to really irk many folks here in this thread going back through since day one, not just me. Each response seems like ur trying to "make it work" and your suggestions r ill for a first time visitor to even conceive. The fact is, there was no reason for this system to be implemented in the first place. If people want to wait, let them. Trying to suggest the new system is better is not even in the realm of acceptable...

Like I stated previously but no one has yet to comment on it, and I believe more and more of this might be true; WDW parks and resorts were told to cut spending on dining by $3 million dollars! Most of the restaurants have had their most priciest and best dishes removed from the menus and revamped again in the last few months! I can totally see them using this BoG debacle as a way to cut costs. Restrict the amount of guests allowed in to cut their food and labor down!I wouldn't be surprised at all if this turned out to be true...