New attraction for AK?

awoogala

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Both myself and Randy Savage have posted ideas about a potentially amazing replacement attraction for Dinorama. His was called Mammoth Falls if I recall correctly, a log flume style attraction similar in thrills to Splash Mountain involving mammoths.


My idea was somewhat similar though I felt it a good idea for the ride to be a bit more tame, but broader in scope than just mammoths as the species (though they'd appear in the attraction). I propose a rename of the entire land from Dinoland to "Prehistoria", a land that celebrates not just dinosaurs but celebrates any kind of extinct animal. I also agree with Randy Savage's proposed expansion to Countdown to Extinction as well as the addition of the Excavator.

My version of the replacement of Dinorama (just the carnival, the rest of the attractions stay) would be called Prehistoria River. Again a boat ride similar to Pirates (including its more tame style of drops), only with a far more massive several story tall show building. Each level would be dedicated to one of many ages of extinct animal life, with the beginning through the end of the level moving through that era and the changes the animals underwent throughout their species' existence (animatronic figures and real sets of course). Each area ends with a drop to the next level to transition the jump from one age to another. The ride would ascend to the very top at first, the top most level would focus on the earlier forms of life on the planet and how they evolved into fish and amphibian types of creatures. The second level would focus on the age of the dinosaurs as well as some of the earlier forms of mammals and birds. The third level would focus on the ice age with creatures such as mammoths, megatherium, and saber tooth tigers. After a final drop the ride ends with a scene back to the present time showing fossils of the many animals showcased in the ride and animatronic figures of people digging and studying these remains.

love it. reminds me of the edutainment value they used to put in epcot. Only problem is, they are probably afraid to off the bible thumpers, who seem ok with dinos, but lose it when you touch evolution. sad, because I want to ride your ride!
 

SirLink

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That's why there would be a day herd and a night herd. It's been seriously considered, especially when Avatar was first announced, not sure what the attitude is about it now though.

But wouldn't that cost them more in terms of building a new set of barns for the animals, increased medical costs, etc.

When building an imaginary creature like a Dragon or Unicorn or dare I say it a Kraken is easier to keep open ... oh and it fulfills another type of animal that the park is lacking those of the imaginary nature...
 

nytimez

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But wouldn't that cost them more in terms of building a new set of barns for the animals, increased medical costs, etc.

When building an imaginary creature like a Dragon or Unicorn or dare I say it a Kraken is easier to keep open ... oh and it fulfills another type of animal that the park is lacking those of the imaginary nature...

I have it on very good authority that barns and medical costs for a Kraken can be quite expensive.
 

SirLink

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I have it on very good authority that barns and medical costs for a Kraken can be quite expensive.

I guess sarcasm ... mine is being repaired ... but imaginary creatures tend to be quite cheap ... especially when they are located on hard drive and in CGI.:p
 

lobelia

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So Busch Gardens should be all about Gardens or Busch? It's a theme park. You can do an Animal theme without live animals. You want Grizzly Bears? Maybe we can do a National Parks attraction. Some of the best of Disney has drawn from them. Maybe it is time to renew that link. Bears in captivity are not all that thrilling, though. In the wild is where the action is. You haven't lived until you have been bluff charged by a grizzly while backcountry hiking. That gets the heart racing (along with racing stripes on the underwear).


Not quite as exciting as facing a grizzly in the wild, I'd bet, but the Columbus Zoo in Ohio has a nice exhibit for two brown bears and three polar bears. I stood transfixed for a long time watching the polar bears jump off rocks into the water to try to catch the trout stocked in their pool. One polar was trying to put herself into a blue barrel in the water too. Funny, cute, and awesome when you are only separated by 6 inches of glass. The brown bears were young and they entertained me by standing on their hind legs and grappling each other. This only ten feet away from the glass too. Loved it. While I would prefer animals not to be captive at all, the opportunity to be a mere safe feet from these amazing animals was something I won't soon forget. I actually think the Lions at Animal Kingdom are a bit more boring than the experience I had. Downside for bears in Animal Kingdom is the heat. It would be difficult to create an evironment for Brown Bears and Polar Bears.

For a captive animal experience that feels less like a zoo check out the Wilds in Cumberland, Ohio: http://www.thewilds.org. Also not as exciting as being chased by a Grizzly in the wild, and they have few predators but a beautiful site.
 

tl77

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Yes they are clutching at straws but rightly or (more so) wrongly Avatar 'fits'( I use that description loosely) because they are imaginary creates - as in the dedication plaque states.

Myth is the same as imaginary - hell they could put pokemon in Animal Kingdom and it technically fits in with the imaginary animals component...

Urgghh...I need a trip to DLP ... like now!


yeah but Asia, Africa, and dinosaurs have centuries of history behind them, as do the "ancient" myths, the hit movie from 2 years ago and pokemon are more like flavor of the month "fads" they don't really relate to what's already there
Like all the buildings in World Showcase have some historical or cultural significance to them, you "could" put a 7 Eleven convenience store next the American Adventure, and argue that it's part of American culture, but it'd probably look a little out of place
 

td1129

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love it. reminds me of the edutainment value they used to put in epcot. Only problem is, they are probably afraid to off the bible thumpers, who seem ok with dinos, but lose it when you touch evolution. sad, because I want to ride your ride!

Mods, please take out the garbage.
 

twebber55

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yeah but Asia, Africa, and dinosaurs have centuries of history behind them, as do the "ancient" myths, the hit movie from 2 years ago and pokemon are more like flavor of the month "fads" they don't really relate to what's already there
Like all the buildings in World Showcase have some historical or cultural significance to them, you "could" put a 7 Eleven convenience store next the American Adventure, and argue that it's part of American culture, but it'd probably look a little out of place
understand what you are saying but i still would say that they will build off of the environment on pandora and not so much the story...because their are no limits to what they can do
 

MerlinTheGoat

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Mods, please take out the garbage.
And why would they do that? There's nothing garbage about that, there's a potentially good point in that regard. It's very well known that Christianity in general doesn't agree with the science of evolution. We don't need to turn this into a who is right or wrong debate here, he's likely correct that certain churches probably would try to raise a stink about it.

I attended a Christian private school during my childhood. Throughout seven years there they only ever showed us one video one evolution, and it was to let us know that the science was "untrue in case anyone else tried to convince you otherwise" (though one of the science teachers you could tell was having to force himself to tell us it wasn't true, against his will and better judgement so as not to irritate the church members that ran the school). I was raised in multiple church environments, pretty much all of them were very much against the science.

I'm not sure how Disney would react to the church in regards to building attractions that might contradict their religious beliefs. At least an attraction focused around the ideas of life going extinct and evolving into different forms.
 

awoogala

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And why would they do that? It's well known that Christianity in general doesn't agree with the science of evolution, no reason to turn this into a religion vs science and who is right, he's likely correct that certain churches probably would probably try to raise a stink about it. I was raised in such an environment. While the science is becoming more and more accepted there are still groups who refuse it.

I attended school at a private Christian academy from kindergarten through 6th grade. Throughout my entire attendance all those years the teachers only once brought up the science once, during one period in 5th grade science class they showed us clips of a video about evolution. They only showed us the video to let us know that the science was "untrue, in case anyone else tried to convince you otherwise" (though one of the science teachers you could tell was having to force himself to tell us it wasn't true, against his will and better judgement so as not to irritate the church members that ran the school).

I'm not sure how Disney would react to the church in regards to building attractions that might contradict their religious beliefs. At least an attraction focused around the ideas of life going extinct and evolving into different forms.
all of the above, except I'm a she. ;)
I did not attack Chrsitianity, I did not say anything about a whole religion. I made a valid point that has been raised before: creationists do not like evolution, and they do protest loudly. Not something Disney wants to deal with, I am sure. If the problem aas the term 'bible-thumpers" I apologize, and replace it with creationists.
 

MerlinTheGoat

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all of the above, except I'm a she. ;)
I did not attack Chrsitianity, I did not say anything about a whole religion. I made a valid point that has been raised before: creationists do not like evolution, and they do protest loudly. Not something Disney wants to deal with, I am sure. If the problem aas the term 'bible-thumpers" I apologize, and replace it with creationists.
Oh sorry about the gender confusion. :)

I'm not attacking Christianity either. I guess people probably gather that I believe in the science of evolution from my post about a potential ride with evolutionary elements, but I don't want to attack people's religious beliefs at all. You are correct though, with how evolution is viewed by the church such a ride might receive serious criticism from certain religions. The question is whether Disney would even take into accounts such criticism, possibly.

If evolution was such a problem, the attraction could still be made without referencing the term. Would be rather obvious that they were glancing over the obvious but it would keep people from getting angry and still be a fantastic ride IMO.

Eh oh. Lets not get the thread locked by talking about religion.

Things might get interesting.
I don't want to start such an argument about religious beliefs either. But since you're here (if you're able or willing to answer this)- Do you think potential religious backlash would be a factor to stop Disney from building a ride that could involve evolution?
 

JungleTrekFan

Active Member
yeah but Asia, Africa, and dinosaurs have centuries of history behind them, as do the "ancient" myths, the hit movie from 2 years ago and pokemon are more like flavor of the month "fads" they don't really relate to what's already there
Dinosaur is technically based off the movie that came out as Animal Kingdom was opening, but your average guest would never know that. I feel they will present Avatar in the same way, it will be a stunning fantasy alien land. Aliens and fantasy are things that definitely have a history in our culture. The fact that its based off a movie shouldn’t really matter. If anything it will help its popularity and not hurt it.
 

Turtle

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MerlinTheGoat said:
I propose a rename of the entire land from Dinoland to "Prehistoria", a land that celebrates not just dinosaurs but celebrates any kind of extinct animal
Hey! That was my idea! Great minds think alike:D
 

awoogala

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Dinosaur is technically based off the movie that came out as Animal Kingdom was opening, but your average guest would never know that. I feel they will present Avatar in the same way, it will be a stunning fantasy alien land. Aliens and fantasy are things that definitely have a history in our culture. The fact that its based off a movie shouldn’t really matter. If anything it will help its popularity and not hurt it.
never realized that. Then where are the lemurs???? :p
(we actually liked that movie)
 

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