MyMagic+ article from Fast Company magazine

drew81

Well-Known Member
The deploy a character parade to help with crowd levels at Magic Kingdom would never work. First, they don't have 20 spare performers just sitting around in a breakroom. They can barely staff the shifts now. And more importantly, guests wouldn't have time to log on to MDE and reserve their spot on route.
 

Darth Sidious

Authentically Disney Distinctly Chinese
I want to be careful with my words because I haven't read the piece yet, so my feelings on its true journalistic merit may well change.

I already see seven pages of people largely patting the author on the back, which is typical.

Negative story ='s Disney hating writer who is lying and has an agenda.

Positive story ='s fair and balanced writer who has no agenda.

It would appear this story is gushing in its praise for the (two) billion dollar boondoggle, so everyone thinks that Austin is Moses coming down the Mountain to tell 'the word'.

It may be that easy for some of you, but it isn't for me. I do understand how Disney works to control the message.

I am curious about many things, foremost would be why the author is here on this site and now after six months (?!?!) of work on the piece. I hope Austin was paid well for his efforts. But why reach out and reach out to this very skeptical and probing community AFTER the fact? Did the author even know the site existed? Or was he pointed this way by someone inside TWDC who's looking to change the narrative? As I writer, I'd have been interested in getting perspectives from individuals here before I actually wrote my story, regardless of whether I'd be using the quotes/information or not.

Now, the writer wants to have an account here and be an all-knowing NGE guru that fans can go to and get 'the real story'. Whose story and to what end? He did the work, filed the story and was paid. Why would you waste time with fans on a fan site?

I'm sorry, but I think critically and wonder why. Who is he helping here by doing so? Himself? Disney? Or all of us ignorant folks who just don't understand how Disney was/is breaking all sorts of tech barriers with NGE?

None of you are curious?

I did see him continually push the narrative that NGE's cost was under a billion. I'd love to see the corporate documents that he reviewed to come to that conclusion. Oh, you don't think Disney would show those? You're right. So basically if he asked two execs (let's call them Tom and Jay) what the cost of the program was and they gave him a number then he was doing his due diligence to source the info.

Again, I haven't read it ... but I am curious if he spoke with or quoted Nick Franklin, the exec who spearheaded the program to save his job and wound up leaving Disney anyway. I am curious if he spoke with Jim MacPhee who was in charge of MM+ implementation at WDW. I am curious if he spent time in the parks talking to CMs (without a Disney handler) asking them about how the system is (or isn't working).

Like I said, I have lots of questions. But clearly I'm in the minority ... maybe I'll agree with y'all when I read it later or this evening. I don't know. But I do know there are a lot of questions and critical thinkers might want to know those answers.

I'll read it and then I'll tell you what I think.

Right now, I think it's counter-programming.

EDIT: And, btw, doesn't Fast Company do placed/sponsored content?

The article to me seemed largely positive with some Mr. Hyde moments where he was critical. I think it was strange to read $1bn in cost but hear about all the costly overruns. You don't do what Disney attempted to do and bring in all those consulting firms for that price tag.

Somewhat related news... All reviews I hear about MM+ is mixed. Generally if you've been to WDW before and know how it works you aren't thrilled (usually) about limited FP+ and not being able to FP+, say TSMM and RnR on the same day.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
I'm totally happy to answer these questions, y'all, but to be honest, this is some next-level paranoia some are displaying.
I thank you for the response, but I also feel that labeling a few basic questions as " next level paranoia" is a bit dubious. I didnt ask you if you think extraterrestrials were in charge of TWDC. Just basic questions to eliminate any confusion.

Considering the fact that of all the chatter and questions in this thread today you have only made 2 posts. One in response to @WDW1974 's post and the other (which was responded to very quickly) was mine, in regards to any questions involving TWDC playing a part in influencing your article. Im sure I will be called a tin foil hat lunatic for thinking that such a rapid response to allegations of misconduct comes across as prepared or anticipated.

Also, I'd like to know why you never actively participated in this community prior to, or during your research? You, or whomever advised you was obviously well aware of this website and the varied opinions within it. Again, I appreciate your response, regardless of what the masses will diagnose me as.
 

fractal

Well-Known Member
I thank you for the response, but I also feel that labeling a few basic questions as " next level paranoia" is a bit dubious. I didnt ask you if you think extraterrestrials were in charge of TWDC. Just basic questions to eliminate any confusion.

Considering the fact that of all the chatter and questions in this thread today you have only made 2 posts. One in response to @WDW1974 's post and the other (which was responded to very quickly) was mine, in regards to any questions involving TWDC playing a part in influencing your article. Im sure I will be called a tin foil hat lunatic for thinking that such a rapid response to allegations of misconduct comes across as prepared or anticipated.

Also, I'd like to know why you never actively participated in this community prior to, or during your research? You, or whomever advised you was obviously well aware of this website and the varied opinions within it. Again, I appreciate your response, regardless of what the masses will diagnose me as.

Actually, I would expect somebody that is falsely accused to respond promptly. Wouldn't you?
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Actually, I would expect somebody that is falsely accused to respond promptly. Wouldn't you?
No. Im now wondering if I should hesitate to respond otherwise I could be labelled as more than a conspiracy theorist for responding, or asking basic questions, which I remind you, were invited by the OP.
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
I thank you for the response, but I also feel that labeling a few basic questions as " next level paranoia" is a bit dubious. I didnt ask you if you think extraterrestrials were in charge of TWDC. Just basic questions to eliminate any confusion.

Considering the fact that of all the chatter and questions in this thread today you have only made 2 posts. One in response to @WDW1974 's post and the other (which was responded to very quickly) was mine, in regards to any questions involving TWDC playing a part in influencing your article. Im sure I will be called a tin foil hat lunatic for thinking that such a rapid response to allegations of misconduct comes across as prepared or anticipated.

Also, I'd like to know why you never actively participated in this community prior to, or during your research? You, or whomever advised you was obviously well aware of this website and the varied opinions within it. Again, I appreciate your response, regardless of what the masses will diagnose me as.
That'll show him. Answer paranoia with more paranoid questions...

Oh, you already covered the fact you don't care about what we think. Phew
 

fractal

Well-Known Member
No. Im now wondering if I should hesitate to respond otherwise I could be labelled as more than a conspiracy theorist for responding, or asking basic questions, which I remind you, were invited by the OP.

You inferred that the quick response by the author was because he already had a "canned response" ready. I believe that typically when people are falsely accused of something it triggers an immediate response. If I falsely accused you of being an
outright liar, would you mull over your response or fire right back?
 

George

Liker of Things
Premium Member
The deploy a character parade to help with crowd levels at Magic Kingdom would never work. First, they don't have 20 spare performers just sitting around in a breakroom. They can barely staff the shifts now. And more importantly, guests wouldn't have time to log on to MDE and reserve their spot on route.

I dunno. Once when ranting about the price of churros a marching band came from out of nowhere and drowned me out.
 

ParentsOf4

Well-Known Member
So we're completely ignoring this article then? When something is announced is not necessary when something starts... It would be safe to say as well you may know more about this subject than me but I am just going off the article we are discussing in this topic, that article in an interview it states James Cameron Visits NGE while it is still in early development in WoL while he is working Avatar... That is all I have to go off of in here...
Disney announced plans to build an Avatar-themed land in September 2011, well over a year after the wildly successful launch the original Wizzarding World of Harry Potter (WWOHP), which opened in June 2010. Please see the official blog announcing this:

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2011/09/avatar-coming-to-disney-parks/

The deal with Cameron was a hasty response to WWOHP.

In 2012, Disney's own Cars Land was a huge hit.

These two successes paved the way for the current amusement park investment model: an immersive and extensively themed land based on a popular IP with a cutting-edge headliner attraction filled with appropriately themed restaurants and shops. This is what currently is in vogue, not the MyMagic+ model. In response to demand, amusement parks are upgrading their WiFi networks, but no one is rushing to emulate a full-blown MyMagic+, not even Disney.

Considerably cheaper to build than entire theme parks, popular lands have proven themselves to be capable of generating excitement among vacationers, along with an immediate bump in revenue.

Prior to the opening of WWOHP, the path forward was unclear, which is one of the reasons NGE seemed so enticing in 2008. As @AustinC wrote in his article:

In the mid-2000s, however, Disney executives had reason to worry about the future of the business. Disney World, Parks’ crown jewel, seemed to be losing its luster. According to multiple sources, certain key metrics, including guests’ "intent to return," were dropping; around half of first-time attendees signaled they likely would not come back because of long lines, high ticket costs, and other park pain points.​

Disney's costly investments in flashy attractions such as Mission: Space (2003) and Expedition Everest (2006) had proven to be financially disappointing, generating neither the hoped for excitement or revenue.

NGE represented a new way of thinking to a leadership without a clear path forward in 2008.

If WWOHP had opened 2 years earlier, MyMagic+ probably never would have been approved. By the time WWOHP opened in 2010, Disney's senior leadership were emotionally invested in NGE. They championed and, by 2010, were personally and professionally attached to the project.

It's rather ironic that @AustinC wrote:

A former Goldman Sachs banker, Franklin has the personality of a bulldog. "There is a great quote from Machiavelli that talks about how nobody wants change because most people are invested in the status quo," Franklin says.​

It was exactly this kind of investment in the status quo in the second half of 2010 that prevented Disney's corporate leadership from slamming the brakes and rethinking NGE in light of developments north on I-4. With Iger championing NGE, NGE had become the status quo by the time the board voted on it in 2011.
 
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wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
You inferred that the quick response by the author was because he already had a "canned response" ready. I believe that typically when people are falsely accused of something it triggers an immediate response. If I falsely accused you of being an
outright liar, would you mull over your response or fire right back?
I inferred that he answered that specific question with a quick response. There were dozens of posts well before mine yet he chose to respond to that one, and has yet to post or respond to anything else. Thats all. Not being a smart so please dont take it that way. Your reasoning is completely understandable.
 

Ariel1986

Well-Known Member
I thank you for the response, but I also feel that labeling a few basic questions as " next level paranoia" is a bit dubious. I didnt ask you if you think extraterrestrials were in charge of TWDC. Just basic questions to eliminate any confusion.

Considering the fact that of all the chatter and questions in this thread today you have only made 2 posts. One in response to @WDW1974 's post and the other (which was responded to very quickly) was mine, in regards to any questions involving TWDC playing a part in influencing your article. Im sure I will be called a tin foil hat lunatic for thinking that such a rapid response to allegations of misconduct comes across as prepared or anticipated.

Also, I'd like to know why you never actively participated in this community prior to, or during your research? You, or whomever advised you was obviously well aware of this website and the varied opinions within it. Again, I appreciate your response, regardless of what the masses will diagnose me as.

Where did you get that he only responded to two questions? He's been replying to people all day- at least a dozen times. You obviously skipped most pages of this thread?
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
That'll show him. Answer paranoia with more paranoid questions...

Oh, you already covered the fact you don't care about what we think. Phew
Oh, its the guy who plays either side of the fence on any given topic as to not offend anybody and appear completely objective. Why did you not feel the need to label the very same question "paranoid" when @WDW1974 asked it? Let me guess, that might upset more people than your quota per comment allows.
 

fillerup

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to go to bat for Austin Carr because before today, I'd never heard of him. I'm sure he's fully capable of taking care of himself if attacked. However, I have been familiar with Fast Company for several years - they put out some good stuff. That's the place where he gets an actual paycheck for, you know, writing stuff.

I'll put this out there for some context:

"Launched in November 1995 by Alan Webber and Bill Taylor, two former Harvard Business Review editors, Fast Company magazine was founded on a single premise: A global revolution was changing business, and business was changing the world. Discarding the old rules of business, Fast Company set out to chronicle how changing companies create and compete, to highlight new business practices, and to showcase the teams and individuals who are inventing the future and reinventing business."

@AustinC has published 142 or so articles over the last two years from what I can see. That's much more output than some of the other "writers" that get discussed around here.

Time to go - I have some Single Barrel Jack that needs mixing with some distilled water.
 

sshindel

The Epcot Manifesto
Oh, its the guy who plays either side of the fence on any given topic as to not offend anybody and appear completely objective. Why did you not feel the need to label the very same question "paranoid" when @WDW1974 asked it? Let me guess, that might upset more people than your quota per comment allows.
Because I felt the more proper question to @WDW1974 at the moment was regarding the need to post a long opinionated post questioning the author of an article he admittedly didn't read.
And '74 knows people inside Disney, and has heard specific things, so I get why he may question things that do not jibe with what he has personal knowldge of.
However, the immediate reaction of a group of people that think that the author of an article for a well respected publication is on the take because he wrote a piece than ran counter to a narrative that so many have adopted as gospel... That I question.

And I post on both sides because there is no side. There are good things going on at Disney, there are bad things going on there as well. I snort the pixie dust about some things, I doom and gloom about others, because that is how my opinion lies. It is possible to have an opinion that is not an extreme on one side or another.
 

twebber55

Well-Known Member
You inferred that the quick response by the author was because he already had a "canned response" ready. I believe that typically when people are falsely accused of something it triggers an immediate response. If I falsely accused you of being an
outright liar, would you mull over your response or fire right back?
agreed the guy came across as a jerk..i would call it something else but its a family board
@Andrew C has done nothing but write an article and taken the time to answer questions in a respectful way
classy really
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
I'm not going to go to bat for Austin Carr because before today, I'd never heard of him. I'm sure he's fully capable of taking care of himself if attacked. However, I have been familiar with Fast Company for several years - they put out some good stuff. That's the place where he gets an actual paycheck for, you know, writing stuff.

I'll put this out there for some context:

"Launched in November 1995 by Alan Webber and Bill Taylor, two former Harvard Business Review editors, Fast Company magazine was founded on a single premise: A global revolution was changing business, and business was changing the world. Discarding the old rules of business, Fast Company set out to chronicle how changing companies create and compete, to highlight new business practices, and to showcase the teams and individuals who are inventing the future and reinventing business."

@AustinC has published 142 or so articles over the last two years from what I can see. That's much more output than some of the other "writers" that get discussed around here.

Time to go - I have some Single Barrel Jack that needs mixing with some distilled water.
Ugh. I liked it better before you posted this. The completely uninformed crazies were doing unintentional comedy at a special level. Now I'm guessing that it'll get reeled in. darn you!
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
And I post on both sides because there is no side. There are good things going on at Disney, there are bad things going on there as well. I snort the pixie dust about some things, I doom and gloom about others, because that is how my opinion lies. It is possible to have an opinion that is not an extreme on one side or another.
Everyone must pick a side. Then dig in and defend that side against any and all comers. Thinking for yourself, and having different opinions on different aspects of WDW is completely unacceptable.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
OK, I read the piece and it was quite enjoyable/entertaining.

No, it wasn't 'just another' PR piece for TWDC. So, score one for Austin Carr and Fast Company!

''Bob Iger wanted approval'' ... I do love that lede.

I don't want to repeat what others have said, especially since there are some great posts from @JediMasterMatt and @hopemax that enter some of the territory I wanted to cover that do a fine job.

I would like to ask again if Fast Company takes placed and/or paid content? (No, Jake, I'm not suggesting this story is either ... just trying to determine a full view of the publication as it's not regular reading for me and I doubt it is for most people here. And, yes, my understanding is that, in general, it is a pro-business pub.)

There were things I liked and things I took issue with, but instead of doing a pros and cons, since I am pressed for time this evening, I'll just list things as they came to me. You can determine for yourself whether they fit as a pro or con.

I was amused by the line ''It is not the story Disney wants you to hear.'' ... Coming in the wake of Mrs. Bob Iger's, Willow Bay's, role in censoring an Op-Ed in the HuffPo (no, @sshindel , I don't find censorship funny and doubt you would, if it happened to be your voice that was silenced.) entitled 'Disney CEO Fumbles Entry to China' by a member of Sumner Redstone's clan of crazies, no less, I don't for a second believe your story was something Disney doesn't want read.

If that were the case, then it wouldn't likely be in print and Disney certainly wouldn't have made folks like Tom Staggs available for one-on-ones. You have described an extraordinary level of cooperation coming from Burbank and Glendale and Orlando. And there's no way Nick Franklin would have ever been allowed to speak to you on the record without explicit consent from Disney. I know how those contracts are structured.

I recall the ex-O-Town Sentinel beat writer (Jason Garcia) practically begging for cooperation in writing about NGE and he got absolutely none and the indepth story he was trying to write never saw the light of day.

When your source says, ''You don't mess with the Mouse.'', I do believe that is a bit of what I am describing.

So, rest assured, tonight that Zenia Mucha isn't working to smear you and destroy your career. Disney is likely crowing about the story you wrote, even if some of it does rise to legit, and fair criticism of the company, its style and, indeed, this project.

I recall you mentioned early on that there was a sense of ''palpable excitement'' in that 2011 meeting when NGE was fully presented. I assume you weren't present, so I'm guessing that was just a bit of hyperbolic expression or were you retelling what others told you?

I know others, including the highly respected @ParentsOf4, have warned about making any pronouncements about the 'success' (or failure) of NGE, yet you proclaim it a success early in your story. I'm guessing that's simply your opinion based on what you saw, heard and experienced because you can't judge the success of a project based on data that is incomplete at best. Disney has been very coy at saying much of anything about this over the last three years.

I liked how you focused on the issues that Disney said it was trying to solve with this program (none of which actually included adding major new attractions or entertainment to its parks). That was absolutely the genesis of NGE '' How do we make more money without building new things, while improving Guest satisfaction scores?''

That's where it all came from.

High cost was a metric you mentioned, but if it was an issue a decade ago, then you should have mentioned what NGE has done for costs of a WDW vacation. What are prices like in 2015 versus 2005 or 2008 or 2010? I think you know they have gone in one direction only: through the roof.

I know it is tough (from experience) writing something like you did with people refusing to go on the record, however, you run the risk of people tuning out when 3/4ers of your quotes are from unnamed sources.

I know as a tech writer that you are coming from that angle, but I had to laugh when you called Be Our Guest ''radical'' ... I guess it is if you like waiting and baking in the sun to get into a fast food restaurant for lunch. But all I could think was ''there's nothing radical about the lousy French Onion Soup or serving cupcakes as the only dessert option!' Yes, the roast beef sandwich is tasty, but those Cockerell fries (ask if the community if you want to know) are awful.

You say that Iger ... or present him as someone who only wanted NGE for WDW, but that fundamentally goes against how it was sold to everyone from the BoD to Wall Street to fans to CMs. It was sold as a revolutionary system that would start at WDW and then roll out world-wide (well, except for Tokyo, where Disney doesn't own the parks at all and the compant that does wants no part of this ... or China where there are unique hurdles) ... but certainly Anaheim and Paris were going to get the treatment. That talk died down years ago, but it doesn't change the fact that this project may not have gotten approval as simply a WDW-exclusive. And that's what it seems destined to be.

I have to ask where those Steve Jobs quotes came from? Was it written in the minutes of a meeting or in a memo? Or was it relayed to you by Staggs or Rasulo or Franklin (who needed work the last time I checked)
as quoting a dead guy when you aren't privy to what he said is a bit dangerous, IMHO.

I thought as the story meandered on that you made some great points about MM+ not delivering on personalization. I almost took it like Staggs (why does every writer have to talk about his healthy lifestyle? Seriously, it means nothing to a story like this and simply adds word count!) snapped at you about Guests loving those B-Day buttons.

It was that personalization aspect that sold the company, largely, on moving ahead because the proponents of NGE saw it as a way to increase revenue. All these things ... from animated window displays that interacted with MAGIC Bands ...like your 8-year-old likes dinosaurs and when he passes a window in DinoLand, a diorama comes alive and does things and you wind up spending $125 on toys you weren't planning on ... or your daughter is a big fan of Beauty and the Beast and when she passes under one of the new Castle archways, the theme from the movie plays and the lighting changes ... or when you're tucking the kids into bed at the Poly, Lilo and Stitch wish them good night from the mirror and invite the family to a $30 a head character breakfast etc. were designed to increase revenue. How can that ever happen when those parts of MM+ have simply been left ignored (like those screens on Small World)?

Great example with Dumbo of how a lot of money was spent with very little delivered (think you quoted MacPhee on that, but could be mistaken). A tent waiting area with pagers ... all to ride a spinner. Great investment or wasted spend? You be the judge.

I'm not going to argue the point about the project coming in underbudget (I could have pointed you in a different direction had I known you were writing this, but ...) I can say if you torture numbers enough they'll say anything.

And that quote by Staggs about ''making better copy" ... did he say that in person or email you it? Because it reads like something a publicist would say as they are thinking in that direction, not usual from a numbers guy.

I thought it was interesting to see the sub-heads used in the story. Don't know if they came from you, but when I saw things like Carousel of Progress, Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and Discovery Island, I thought ''these will definitely make fans think he's one of us.'' ... FYI, Disney's Senior Guest Recovery agents often use these 'nostalgia' fueled terms in dealing with unhappy Guests by making them think they're lovers of all that old Disney crap too. Team Disney has a list of these or did as of a few years ago.

Finally, I saw that Shanghai Disneyland Resort and My Magic Plus were mentioned after the comment about Staggs being elevated to No. 2. I doubt you are making a correlation there as both projects will be very long term in nature before results are seen. And Rasulo, who is widely hated in the fan community, had far more to do with both projects (as you noted in the story) than the guy who switched jobs with him.

Anyway, I found it an interesting and entertaining read ... I wish you would have gone further in-depth in a few areas where I felt you were right on the verge of saying something big, but often my best ideas come after I have hit post myself.

Thanks.
 

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