disney4life2008
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Well if people reject then that could work in our favor - that means we can get all the FP+. But people will easily latch on because its nextgen.
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Well if people reject then that could work in our favor - that means we can get all the FP+. But people will easily latch on because its nextgen.
I don't doubt that they will.
There's the rub. That information will likely never be public knowledge, nor will it necessarily be static. My guess is that the operators will have different "levers" to pull depending on crowds, emerging trends, etc. That's what makes the whole project fascinating. Fastpass sets up a system with defined parameters and then presses "play", watching behavior unfold. Fastpass+ is a system that can respond to that behavior in real-time.
ParentsOf4
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I'm suggesting onsite guests represent WDW's best, most profitable, source of revenue.
Only a foolish company doesn't take care of its best customers first.
Rodan75
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You know what they could do if they wanted to keep guests on property...if a magic band walks off property...they could automatically cancel the FP+ reservations. Or if a magic band hasn't entered the park by 11am for a 12noon FP+, they could cancel it.
I think some of the initial long range RFID concerns about privacy were justified, but a little overblown. The perspective opportunities to control guest behavior is pretty staggering. This will be an interesting process to observe and experience over the next few years.
I think some of the initial long range RFID concerns about privacy were justified, but a little overblown. The perspective opportunities to control guest behavior is pretty staggering. This will be an interesting process to observe and experience over the next few years.
bubbles1812
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Woah. We agree on something... Miracles do happen!
I think you're underestimating the supply of Fastpasses. It's just guesswork from either of us without the actual numbers, buy I really think there will be plenty of FP+ to go around, even to those who book later. I mean you might not get TSMM if you book 11 days out, so there will be SOME impact of booking last minute, but I don't think it'll be as severe as dining reservations, for example. I think the +10 days for resort guests is more "make them feel like they're getting a bonus" than "they better be in that +10 window or they're screwed."
You know what, I don't think that FP+ needs to be so horrible.
There are aspects of it which make me pause and which I don't like. Mainly the reason for it being there: As @articos recently explained so well, the project was not thought up in order to enhance the guest experience, but rather as a resource management system. Trying to distribute parcels as evenly as possible - the guests being the parcels here.
And this is what makes me wonder how well it is going to work. There is a reason for long lines forming at certain attractions and not at others. Some attractions are just more popular. As others have pointed out, someone who is at Epcot will want to ride Soarin and won't settle on Journey into Imagination instead.
However, and I think a lot of this depends on the implementation, if this system does what it is designed to do and levels out wait times, I think it can even add spontaneity back to a Disney day. If they manage to reduce my wait time at for example BTMRR by about 15 minutes from 40 minutes to 25 minutes, I would not mind waiting in this line. I might have to pay for this by waiting 5 minutes longer for PotC, HM and the Carousel, which otherwise would have been only 5 minutes wait and now are 10 minutes. The bonus would be that none of the lines was prohibitively long for the standby line. So, if FP+ really achieves the standby lines becoming more accessible again, I would consider this a win.
It will also be nice to be able to get FP+ without having to backtrack through the park and for a time that is convenient for me. I don't like the 60 day in advance idea though. I think the reason why they will never go for a much shorter period (personally I think day before would be fine, too) as the shorter the period, the more people they would have accessing the same days data and that might cause problems I could imagine.
There is one thing that becomes much more difficult to do though with FP+ and that is multiple rides on just the headliners. But I guess that is really one of the things that are intended. They want to spread out the capacity at the headliners to more people. Kind of the way it was before FP ever came to the parks.
There are aspects of it which make me pause and which I don't like. Mainly the reason for it being there: As @articos recently explained so well, the project was not thought up in order to enhance the guest experience, but rather as a resource management system. Trying to distribute parcels as evenly as possible - the guests being the parcels here.
And this is what makes me wonder how well it is going to work. There is a reason for long lines forming at certain attractions and not at others. Some attractions are just more popular. As others have pointed out, someone who is at Epcot will want to ride Soarin and won't settle on Journey into Imagination instead.
However, and I think a lot of this depends on the implementation, if this system does what it is designed to do and levels out wait times, I think it can even add spontaneity back to a Disney day. If they manage to reduce my wait time at for example BTMRR by about 15 minutes from 40 minutes to 25 minutes, I would not mind waiting in this line. I might have to pay for this by waiting 5 minutes longer for PotC, HM and the Carousel, which otherwise would have been only 5 minutes wait and now are 10 minutes. The bonus would be that none of the lines was prohibitively long for the standby line. So, if FP+ really achieves the standby lines becoming more accessible again, I would consider this a win.
It will also be nice to be able to get FP+ without having to backtrack through the park and for a time that is convenient for me. I don't like the 60 day in advance idea though. I think the reason why they will never go for a much shorter period (personally I think day before would be fine, too) as the shorter the period, the more people they would have accessing the same days data and that might cause problems I could imagine.
There is one thing that becomes much more difficult to do though with FP+ and that is multiple rides on just the headliners. But I guess that is really one of the things that are intended. They want to spread out the capacity at the headliners to more people. Kind of the way it was before FP ever came to the parks.
Don't worry, I promptly disagreed in the following post.Woah. We agree on something... Miracles do happen!
disney4life2008
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But that is not fair. I may want to leave property to eat and come back to the MK for my FP+ rides. So if they are GPA tracking me that is not fair to my rights
That's probably fair. If FP+ is going to help people, it'll be the once-every-five-years family who knows Disney fairly well and wants to do "everything once."
The screwed-iest people will be the locals who want to show up on a Friday night, ride Tower and RnRC twice each, and go home. Cast-as-guest will probably have it the worst of all, which is kind of ironic.
Long-range RFID isn't GPS. It can sense you from maybe a few hundred feet, but it wouldn't know that your band is in a drawer in Albuquerque.
bubbles1812
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If you stay 6 days... Many guests stay less. Just sayin'
I honestly fail to see how anyone would come back sooner because of this. It's another one of those "People return when they can" things, just as they "can afford what they can afford." I mean I like FP a lot, but it has never gotten me to return sooner to WDW. EMH has gotten me to stay on site in the past... FP+ is a much lesser incentive to try get me to do so, particularly if they go get rid of EMH all together.
Prince-1
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ddrongowski
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"THE SLIDERS STHUPER CUTE" What is she 4? Grow up and be an adult.
Not "wow FP+ is swell."
More "wow, WDW is swell for a whole bunch of reasons, including that nifty bump we got for staying on property."
Idk. I'm not a marketing guy. But people make decisions based on "feeling" more than "reason."
Sue_Vongello
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OOOO I love the shirts! What a genius idea ... giving people what they never wanted on a shirt they won't buy which in essence acts as a walking ad for a lame idea no one cares about.
May I suggest other ideas too!!
Option1 - "BAND-Aid" and you could have the band wrapped around a broken AA Yeti!
Option2 - "BANDEMIC!" and you could have a bloated FP queue with people's fists in the air (wearing bands)
Option3 - "BANDINGO!" I just like the way this sounds
Option4 - "aBANDoned!" and it could be a group of current TDO execs dumping Walt's corpse into an ocean (of course they are wearing bands, red and purple to be exact!"
May I suggest other ideas too!!
Option1 - "BAND-Aid" and you could have the band wrapped around a broken AA Yeti!
Option2 - "BANDEMIC!" and you could have a bloated FP queue with people's fists in the air (wearing bands)
Option3 - "BANDINGO!" I just like the way this sounds
Option4 - "aBANDoned!" and it could be a group of current TDO execs dumping Walt's corpse into an ocean (of course they are wearing bands, red and purple to be exact!"
ddrongowski
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VERY TRUE... look at the stock market.
ddrongowski
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I WANT OPTION 1!
Right, because Walt absolutely HATED using emerging technology in his creations.
I get that you're trying to be droll/clever, but "Walt's corpse" jokes are just bad taste.