My Magic + details ...

[Bolna]

That's part of creating the mystique. Disney wants MagicBands to be cool so guests clamor for them.

Besides, if Turkey Legs and Monorail announcements can have their own t-shirts, then why not MagicBands?

But they forgot that the mystique needs to be there first and then the t-shirts can follow. I wonder how many of those Limited Time Magic "Merchandise Truck t-shirts" they sold. Same stupid concept. Turkey legs and monorail were already popular before they got t-shirts.

 

[disney4life2008]

All this information is teetering on really bad idea but the fastpass+ piece of this ensures it's a complete failure.
That ridiculously cute little bunny rabbit is right.

FP+ will fail just like the AIE at HS. Back in 2009 - TD decided to eliminate nightly showings of Fantasmic! and instead funnel guests to AIE Finale! I happened to be there on the night when this was enacted and all hell broke loose because those will kids prefered Fantasmic! over AIE! And guess what - we got our nightly showings of Fantasmic! back! AIE is a failure and FP+ is next. My final trip to WDW for a while will be spring 2014. I refuse to spend all my money at a place where I am being forced to live by Disney standards.

 

[ddrongowski]

Wait - now I am confused. So I am AP holder. I can visit up 4 parks in one day if I choose. So your telling me once this rolls out - I can only get 3 FP for one park? What is the point of hopping to another park in the same day? In the current system - I can grab a FP for TSMM and standby RnRC and TOT then leave and hit EP and grab a early evening Soarin ticket. This is no longer possible?

So are you considering changing you name to disneymaybemaybenot2008?

 

[asianway]

I really don't think that's true.

Oh, it is. Theres a greeting for Minnie currently under construction in DHS that will be FP+ only. @drew81 right?

 

[ddrongowski]

Yep. Disney Chase Credit cards!

With super happy magical interest.

 

[disney4life2008]

But you see what you're doing? You're describing wait times that only exist in their present form BECAUSE of the current FP system. Your "strategy" works in a world where people rush to TSMM first thing in the morning and where Soarin' has 90+ minute waits after lunch time. Guest behavior and use patters are going to change under the new system. It will have its own quirks and strategies that you/we will just have to re-learn.

It's like... If all the roadways are being redesigned around your house and you'll have to take a new route to work, you can't make your decisions based on CURRENT traffic patterns, because those patters will be DIFFERENT after the redesign.

I will give you that much. So the best I can do is wait it out. On your estimate - you are telling me that Soarin will not have a 90+ minute wait till once FP+ rolls out at 1030am? You are also telling me that TSMM will have a 120 wait 30 mins after opening after FP+?

 

[asianway]

But they forgot that the mystique needs to be there first and then the t-shirts can follow. I wonder how many of those Limited Time Magic "Merchandise Truck t-shirts" they sold. Same stupid concept. Turkey legs and monorail were already popular before they got t-shirts.

At least the Turkey Leg wallets ended up at the outlet proving there are limits...

 

[disney4life2008]

So are you considering changing you name to disneymaybemaybenot2008?

I think I will. Its hard to support all of these changes where it seems I am loosing benefits instead of gaining them. I am an AP holder for the extra benefits but all of these changes are making me feel like a second class.

 

[Tim_4]

I will give you that much. So the best I can do is wait it out. On your estimate - you are telling me that Soarin will not have a 90+ minute wait till once FP+ rolls out at 1030am? You are also telling me that TSMM will have a 120 wait 30 mins after opening after FP+?

Hell if I know.

That's my point.

 

[ddrongowski]

With the amount of international visitors at WDW, there's no way this wouldn't work without In-Park WiFi...

They will provide what they can, but it is up to you to accept it's level of quality... Hey it's IT after all and radio waves are very difficult to predict.

 

[disney4life2008]

Hell if I know.

That's my point.

Exactly my point as well. FP+ will not benefit me if I can not hop to Epcot at 11am to get a FP for Soarin because FP+ limits me to 3 for one park per day. I am able to complete the major attractions at HS and Epcot all in one day using the current system. Under the new system I am not going to want to hop to Epcot because I will spend a good 1.5 in lines each for Soerin, TT and MS.

 

[bubbles1812]

Once the general public hears the only way to get "good" FP+ return times is to stay onsite, occupancy rates should climb.

Question to you. Do you see this actually happening? I see it maybe helping but not as much as Disney hopes and/or expects. Staying on property is freaking expensive, even for the "values" (which aren't all that valuable in terms of rates.). Does the chance (for it is not even a guarantee) of getting 3 good FPs times (and maybe not even for the attractions you really need them for) actually get more people on property? Is the lure that strong? Is it actually worth probably spending several hundred dollars more on an already expensive vacation worth those 3, count it, just 3 FP times? People can afford what they can afford. And many go to WDW but can't or unwillingly to pay the added expense of being on property. Like I said, it may boost attendance some but this perk is no EMH.

 

[ShookieJones]

. I refuse to spend all my money at a place where I am being forced to live by Disney's declining standards.

I fixed that last sentence for you.

 

[disney4life2008]

Question to you. Do you see this actually happening? I see it maybe helping but not as much as Disney hopes and/or expects. Staying on property is freaking expensive, even for the "values" (which aren't all that valuable in terms of rates.). Does the chance (for it is not even a guarantee) of getting 3 good FPs a time (and maybe not even for the attractions you really need them for) actually get more people on property? Is the lure that strong? Is it actually worth probably spending several hundred dollars more on an already expensive vacation worth those 3, count it, just 3 FP times? People can afford what they can afford. And many go to WDW but can't or unwillingly to pay the added expense of being on property. Like I said, it may boost attendance some but this perk is no EMH.

Doubtful. But of course - you have non disney blog fans who gladly spend thousand of dollars at the values just to stay on disney property. We (the seasons disney fans) know better.

 

[Tim_4]

Question to you. Do you see this actually happening? I see it maybe helping but not as much as Disney hopes and/or expects. Staying on property is freaking expensive, even for the "values" (which aren't all that valuable in terms of rates.). Does the chance (for it is not even a guarantee) of getting 3 good FPs a time (and maybe not even for the attractions you really need them for) actually get more people on property? Is the lure that strong? Is it actually worth probably spending several hundred dollars more on an already expensive vacation worth those 3, count it, just 3 FP times? People can afford what they can afford. And many go to WDW but can't or unwillingly to pay the added expense of being on property. Like I said, it may boost attendance some but this perk is no EMH.

3 FP times per day, so 18.

But I get your point. I don't think the primary purpose is to "draw" people on property. I think it's to make an on-property guest feel *extra* special so they STAY an on-property guest the next time, and come back sooner than they would have.

 

[ddrongowski]

They DID look at their target audience and realized that their target audience has their faces buried squarely in their Galaxy S4 for 97% of their waking hours. The modern consumer is used to using things like Yelp, FourSquare, Zagat, Open Table, etc. They *get* things in this space. It's a lot when you write it all down, but the medium in which it is delivered should go a long way to make it intuitive to people.

They need to make youtube vids of how to use it or it will fail with this "target audience" you speak of. After all they do not use English anymore.

 

[PhotoDave219]

But you see what you're doing? You're describing wait times that only exist in their present form BECAUSE of the current FP system. Your "strategy" works in a world where people rush to TSMM first thing in the morning and where Soarin' has 90+ minute waits after lunch time. Guest behavior and use patters are going to change under the new system. It will have its own quirks and strategies that you/we will just have to re-learn.

It's like... If all the roadways are being redesigned around your house and you'll have to take a new route to work, you can't make your decisions based on CURRENT traffic patterns, because those patters will be DIFFERENT after the redesign.

It makes me wonder the specifics of how FP+ will be utilized.

Meaning.... lets say RNRC currently allows for XXX FP in an hour. Will that number grow or shrink with FP+?

What will the guest behavior be like with it? Its a fantastic industrial engineering question, with a complete bit of chaos theory.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Imagine the chaos if people reject this system and stop using Fastpass altogether?

 

[bubbles1812]

Clearly they're trying to create extra incentive for guests to stay on property, but it's no different than Extra Magic Hours, which people loooooove (see: complaints about EMH hours at MK being reduced). You make it seem like the ONLY way to get "good" Fastpasses would be to stay on property. With that logic, nobody staying off property would ever get a dining reservation, either. Ever.

This is true... Kinda. But the thing about the dining reservations is that you don't have to have a hotel package to do it. From what I understand (and you can correct me if I'm wrong), the 60+10 option will only be available for guests who have booked packages in advance (APs not withstanding.). If this is true, it stands to reason those with reservations will have a distance advantage in getting "good times" unless of course, they will be reserving some spots who people who will be choosing their 3 the day of. But even that would presumably be limited because many "good times" will already be taken by those that reserved on advance. This is part of why there is such concern regarding people who spontaneously decide to take a trip inside of 60 days. The closer you book to your arrival date, the more screwed you are.

 

[George]

It makes me wonder the specifics of how FP+ will be utilized.

Meaning.... lets say RNRC currently allows for XXX FP in an hour. Will that number grow or shrink with FP+?

What will the guest behavior be like with it? Its a fantastic industrial engineering question, with a complete bit of chaos theory.

I'm curious to see if a lot of noobies will feel ripped off and how they will react. You know IaSW is famous, so you get a fp for that only to show up and find out it is always a walk on. Then after waiting in long queues for both SMs and the like, you use your Wishes fp, only to notice that lots of people can see the fireworks from all over. Many could find it agitating.....