Move It! Shake It! to Run at Night

[drizgirl]

Seems to me Drizgirl is voting with her wallet: She said she was going less frequently and for shorter trips. No?

Exactly that.

First and foremost, I will continue to do what is best for my family. If I can also send a message to Disney in the form of less money spent on/in the parks, I will do so.

But no, I won't stomp my way around the parks with a frown on my face because someone online thinks that's what I should do. I can look at the parks with a critical eye, evaluate the return on investment for my family, and plan accordingly. Then once we are there, I try to have a great time making memories with my family.

The silver lining is that we have discovered some other great places to spend our vacation dollars as our Disney trips shrink.

 

[contrariwise]

It has nothing to do with being up to date on Disney minutiae. It's about knowing where you're going. That could be Six Flags, Cedar Fair, Universal, or WDW.. or a zoo, museum, aquarium, shopping mall...etc etc etc.
pretty much any place that you are heading to...
I guess I just give people way too much credit.
All of the smartphones in that photo and none had the MDE app? Or checked the website for any times? How did they know when anything started? How did they know what time the park opened? I just find it hard to believe that the masses are as ignorant as people here paint them to be.

I will agree with you on this: People *should* know. But really and truly, many of them don't. On my last trip, I heard people baffled and angry about people skipping the line with fastpasses, and then others asking where they could buy them. Really. They could have booked them for free if they had looked into it, but they didn't. I don't know why, but I know it happens.

 

[drizgirl]

But you just said that you still go..lol. Oh, but "less". So still giving them your money is making a greater and much more noble stand of "I'm not happy!"
But, in some weird twisted logic here- Enjoying something that is there currently is foolish bc it's "settling".
But, Continuing to go somewhere that you feel is mediocre is smart.
Perfect sense.
See above.

Not everything in life is quite that black and white. Most things aren't. There's a lot of room for gray.

 

[RobbinsDad]

I will agree with you on this: People *should* know. But really and truly, many of them don't. On my last trip, I heard people baffled and angry about people skipping the line with fastpasses, and then others asking where they could buy them. Really. They could have booked them for free if they had looked into it, but they didn't. I don't know why, but I know it happens.

I have a friend who called me this week asking for advice on how to plan for their Disney vacation. I asked when they were going - she said the first week in April. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[21stamps]

Not everything in life is quite that black and white. Most things aren't. There's a lot of room for gray.

Exactly that.

First and foremost, I will continue to do what is best for my family. If I can also send a message to Disney in the form of less money spent on/in the parks, I will do so.

But no, I won't stomp my way around the parks with a frown on my face because someone online thinks that's what I should do. I can look at the parks with a critical eye, evaluate the return on investment for my family, and plan accordingly. Then once we are there, I try to have a great time making memories with my family.

The silver lining is that we have discovered some other great places to spend our vacation dollars as our Disney trips shrink.

This post.. is a good thing. I've said repeatedly that I don't think Disney should be anyone's only vacation spot. There's too much to see.

The difference between me and you is that when I go other places it isn't "because I want to show Disney that they only deserve PART of my vacation budget". It's because of a very simple reason- I want to go somewhere else, nothing to do with Disney at all.

 

[contrariwise]

You vote with your wallet by not not going. Going, and then complaining about what you willingly chose to do is just foolish.
Either don't go, or go and enjoy it.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that those are the only choices. Why wouldn't "go less" be a choice? If I'm not as happy with Macy's as I used to be, I don't just have the choice of (a) grinning maniacally and running up my credit card at Macy's OR (b) never setting foot in there again. Maybe I just don't spend as much at Macy's as I used to.

And let's not even start down the road of what's foolish ...

 

[Buried20KLeague]

You vote with your wallet by not not going. Going, and then complaining about what you willingly chose to do is just foolish.
Either don't go, or go and enjoy it.

OR... Door #3... Believe it or not, some people choose to still visit because there's a lot they enjoy while at the same time not being happy about certain things. Novel concept... Nothing in life has to be an "all or nothing" proposition. Not everything has to be "thank you Sir, may I have another?".

For the record... I DO vote with my wallet. One month from today I'll be standing in Shanghai Disneyland and 5 days later Hong Kong Disneyland. I couldn't care less how high they choose to raise prices and cut offerings at WDW because I have other ways to get my fix. But for those that don't have that option... I don't fault them for being ticked that a filler parade is being used to plug a gaping hole in nighttime entertainment, and as a shiny bauble to keep the less educated guest from traveling across property for RoL. Because that's what it is. It's an absolute gaping hole in nighttime entertainment that's basically never existed in the MK in Florida being filled with something never intended to be in that place in the schedule, to distract crowds from RoL. And it's being done because TDO didn't spend the money on a new parade, when there were apparently plans ready for a green light, and because they're trying to limit the demand for ROL because they didn't build enough capacity for the crowds that will decend upon it. That's not opinion, that's just fact. If you don't see how that could be a problem for people, maybe you're looking in the wrong place.

It's laughable parks management. It's people making decisions based on bonus structures. It's general disregard for guest experience and expectations. It's a knowledge that they can make these decisions and push things further because they know most will just take it and still come... And those that don't will be replaced by the next family that strolls through the gates.

The problem is... None of the above is sustainable. Not forever. Something will give.

 

[21stamps]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that those are the only choices. Why wouldn't "go less" be a choice? If I'm not as happy with Macy's as I used to be, I don't just have the choice of (a) grinning maniacally and running up my credit card at Macy's OR (b) never setting foot in there again. Maybe I just don't spend as much at Macy's as I used to.

And let's not even start down the road of what's foolish ...

I don't like Walmart.
Therefore I don't shop at Walmart. Period.
Even when something is on sale and I wish that I could abandon my ethical thoughts towards that company. I still don't shop there.
There are other examples, but none that I can give without getting political.

If you don't agree with a company and their business practices, then don't give them your money. If you do, then your "stand" is pretty useless.

You don't have to love everything about a place..and it's normal to not be happy with every single thing about said place. However, if you claim to be taking some kind of platform against them, and "hurting them with your wallet" , and say things like 'enjoying = accepting"....but " I still go..just, less", your stand on what or how greedy you think they've become lacks conviction and is nothing more than a rant.
To each their own.

 

[drizgirl]

This post.. is a good thing. I've said repeatedly that I don't think Disney should be anyone's only vacation spot. There's too much to see.

The difference between me and you is that when I go other places it isn't "because I want to show Disney that they only deserve PART of my vacation budget". It's because of a very simple reason- I want to go somewhere else, nothing to do with Disney at all.

There you go making things either/or again.

How do you know I didn't want to visit those other places too? Sometimes things work out well for far more than just one reason.

 

[Bandini]

The difference between me and you is that when I go other places it isn't because I want to show Disney that they only deserve PART of my vacation budget". It's because of a very simple reason- I want to go somew"here else, nothing to do with Disney at all.

You are the only person who claimed this. Who the heck would choose another vacation destination to "spite Disney"?

 

[drizgirl]

You are the only person who claimed this. Who the heck would choose another vacation destination to "spite Disney"?

I love how she puts things in quotes that I never even said.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

I guess I just give people way too much credit.

I don't think that's it.

 

[21stamps]

I love how she puts things in quotes that I never even said.

Read back through your posts.
People shouldn't accept..
You don't accept..
You are showing them that you're not accepting their greed by going less..and "owning it"..
Wait, no you're going less because you wanted to go to other destinations..

I don't know, I can't keep up.

Bottom line, I think everyone wishes that there was a night time parade.
I wish everyone realized that it isn't a horrible thing to enjoy the parks without it, including Move it Shake it.. if you willingly choose to go to the park.

You talk about either/or. That is an odd kind of either/or choice. Choosing to live in a "what isn't here" instead of a "what is here" state.
I can't comprehend it. I give up though.
I've posted too much here, have fun

 

[RobbinsDad]

I don't like Walmart.
Therefore I don't shop at Walmart. Period.
Even when something is on sale and I wish that I could abandon my ethical thoughts towards that company. I still don't shop there.
There are other examples, but none that I can give without getting political.

If you don't agree with a company and their business practices, then don't give them your money. If you do, then your "stand" is pretty useless.

You don't have to love everything about a place..and it's normal to not be happy with every single thing about said place. However, if you claim to be taking some kind of platform against them, and "hurting them with your wallet" , and say things like 'enjoying = accepting"....but " I still go..just, less", your stand on what or how greedy you think they've become lacks conviction and is nothing more than a rant.
To each their own.

Oh come on, you can't be this obtuse in real life. It's not possible.

Some people still choose to go to WDW despite their growing disappointment in the experience. Why? Several reasons:

- Nostalgia
- A variety of entertainment choices for mixed families/groups
- Food
- Golf
- Marathons
- The Hoop de frickin' doo Revue
- As one part of a comprehensive Orlando vacation
- Because if you're a planner it's fun as hell to plan for
- DVC owners with points to use
- Or my favorite, going with a child and seeing the place through their eyes

But as plenty of others have noted, there are ways to express your frustrations without quitting WDW cold turkey. Stay offsite. Buy less merchandise. Avoid DHS. Sell your DVC membership. GO LESS OFTEN!! Visit Universal. These things make a difference and they do not lack conviction.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

Not everything in life is quite that black and white. Most things aren't. There's a lot of room for gray.

about 50

 

[RobbinsDad]

Oh come on, you can't be this obtuse in real life. It's not possible.

Some people still choose to go to WDW despite their growing disappointment in the experience. Why? Several reasons:

- Nostalgia
- A variety of entertainment choices for mixed families/groups
- Food
- Golf
- Marathons
- The Hoop de frickin' doo Revue
- As one part of a comprehensive Orlando vacation
- Because if you're a planner it's fun as hell to plan for
- DVC owners with points to use
- Or my favorite, going with a child and seeing the place through their eyes

But as plenty of others have noted, there are ways to express your frustrations without quitting WDW cold turkey. Stay offsite. Buy less merchandise. Avoid DHS. Sell your DVC membership. GO LESS OFTEN!! Visit Universal. These things make a difference and they do not lack conviction.

And I'm sorry Mom. I got sucked in again.

 

[drizgirl]

Read back through your posts.
People shouldn't accept..
You don't accept..
You are showing them that you're not accepting their greed by going less..and "owning it"..
Wait, no you're going less because you wanted to go to other destinations..

I don't know, I can't keep up.

Bottom line, I think everyone wishes that there was a night time parade.
I wish everyone realized that it isn't a horrible thing to enjoy the parks without it, including Move it Shake it.. if you willingly choose to go to the park.

You talk about either/or. That is an odd kind of either/or choice. Choosing to live in a "what isn't here" instead of a "what is here" state.
I can't comprehend it. I give up though.
I've posted too much here, have fun

I don't need to read back through my posts. I know exactly how I feel and what I said.

 

[21stamps]

Oh come on, you can't be this obtuse in real life. It's not possible.

Some people still choose to go to WDW despite their growing disappointment in the experience. Why? Several reasons:

- Nostalgia
- A variety of entertainment choices for mixed families/groups
- Food
- Golf
- Marathons
- The Hoop de frickin' doo Revue
- As one part of a comprehensive Orlando vacation
- Because if you're a planner it's fun as hell to plan for
- DVC owners with points to use
- Or my favorite, going with a child and seeing the place through their eyes

But as plenty of others have noted, there are ways to express your frustrations without quitting WDW cold turkey. Stay offsite. Buy less merchandise. Avoid DHS. Sell your DVC membership. GO LESS OFTEN!! Visit Universal. These things make a difference and they do not lack conviction.

Ah ok, I do have to respond to this one.
With 3 simple questions-
Do you think enjoying Move It Shake It with your family equals "accepting something that is mediocre" and perpetuating the mediocrity?
Or could it just be that people enjoy the moment that they are in, and don't need to constantly compare it to 'what was'?
Do people who enjoy this parade with their family deserve the kind of response that was given on the first few pages?

Your last point- think about it. It speaks volumes, and it's why I can't understand the comments from quite a few here.
Someone mentioned "priorities" as in a Disney vacation should be skipped to prove a point.. taking priority over a child's experience there. Yeah, call me obtuse for thinking that's bat shoot crazy.

 

[RobbinsDad]

Ah ok, I do have to respond to this one.
With 3 simple questions-
Do you think enjoying Move It Shake It with your family equals "accepting something that is mediocre" and perpetuating the mediocrity?
Or could it just be that people enjoy the moment that they are in, and don't need to constantly compare it to 'what was'?
Do people who enjoy this parade with their family deserve the kind of response that was given on the first few pages?

Deserve the kind of response? Are we suppressing opinions of the non-political kind on an internet forum now? I didn't see any personal attacks on defenders of the MISID&PI Nation. Just opinions about the management decision (super lame) and the parade (it's no FoF). And if this is still happening in July, I will personally express my displeasure by not sitting my butt down on the curb and watching it.

 

[RobbinsDad]

Ah ok, I do have to respond to this one.
With 3 simple questions-
Do you think enjoying Move It Shake It with your family equals "accepting something that is mediocre" and perpetuating the mediocrity?
Or could it just be that people enjoy the moment that they are in, and don't need to constantly compare it to 'what was'?
Do people who enjoy this parade with their family deserve the kind of response that was given on the first few pages?

Your last point- think about it. It speaks volumes, and it's why I can't understand the comments from quite a few here.
Someone mentioned "priorities" as in a Disney vacation should be skipped to prove a point.. taking priority over a child's experience there. Yeah, call me obtuse for thinking that's bat shoot crazy.

So we're doing our children a disservice by not staying on site, not buying them stuff, and only going every 2 years instead of every year.