DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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MrPromey said:
I find the Epcot spine particularly egregious. New attractions or reworked attractions off to the side being slow-rolled are one thing but they were way too comfortable leaving the front half of that park a torn up mess for way too long.

Things like that which directly impact guest's existing experiences, that negatively impact the park they've paid to go into should be prioritized but clearly, the experience of paying guests was not a major concern for leadership for those years.

... and of course, this was all happening while the rat ride was sitting, allegedly ready to go at the other end of the park with the doors locked waiting for the right marketing time to let people in, which in isolation, like I said at the start, whatever but that might have been a nice consolation for what was happening at the front.

This isn't that kind of company anymore, though.
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Rat was held back to open for the 50th. I was there in August 2021 when they were finally doing CM previews but we couldn’t get in. The gift shop with the Ratatouille merch still managed to open ahead of the ride :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

There‘s no good excuse for doing that and the crowds were so low that Summer it would have been an ideal time to open and work out the kinks.
 
MrPromey

MrPromey

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GoofGoof said:
Rat was held back to open for the 50th. I was there in August 2021 when they were finally doing CM previews but we couldn’t get in. The gift shop with the Ratatouille merch still managed to open ahead of the ride :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

There‘s no good excuse for doing that and the crowds were so low that Summer it would have been an ideal time to open and work out the kinks.
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And they could have just had an extended "soft opening" and still held the Official opening for that, anyway.

It really didn't have to be that way - especially with how the 50th turned out, overall.
 
Disnutz311

Disnutz311

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Has there been any chatter or do we think they will start to build the Monsters Roller Coaster before closing the land? Similar to what they are doing with Encanto and it happen in phases?

The problem is Disney's Project Management. When they announced at D23 and showed concept art they had no construction drawings completed. That is evident. They have submitted the CD set for permitting but that does not have to included lighting type, finishes, and props/decor and FF&E, animatronic specs, etc. They are working on this now I suspect.

Then comes the Adaptive Project Mindset. Things always changing, major in the field decision making where 18 people need to be involved, 3000 change orders and sign offs. That's how you get to the modern day 500 million for a roller coaster and it taking 3+ years with Disney. If they had all this ready to go, ran a Predective Mindset and then gave it to the GC you would see a ton of time shaved off.
 
WeNamedTheDogIndiana

WeNamedTheDogIndiana

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Disnutz311 said:
Has there been any chatter or do we think they will start to build the Monsters Roller Coaster before closing the land? Similar to what they are doing with Encanto and it happen in phases?

The problem is Disney's Project Management. When they announced at D23 and showed concept art they had no construction drawings completed. That is evident. They have submitted the CD set for permitting but that does not have to included lighting type, finishes, and props/decor and FF&E, animatronic specs, etc. They are working on this now I suspect.

Then comes the Adaptive Project Mindset. Things always changing, major in the field decision making where 18 people need to be involved, 3000 change orders and sign offs. That's how you get to the modern day 500 million for a roller coaster and it taking 3+ years with Disney. If they had all this ready to go, ran a Predective Mindset and then gave it to the GC you would see a ton of time shaved off.
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Well, they don't want to work on things like animatronics or flooring before they can make social media posts to those effects. Just look at how the State of Florida is waiting for clarification on Cars with, what - 11 days to go? Disney wants fan approval before they get media approval before they get state approval, and the resulting fan approval is what determines their immediate next steps.

It's not bureaucracy. It's not marketing. It's really not capitalism, when it all comes down to it. It's just nerves.
 
DisneyDean97

DisneyDean97

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ChewbaccaYourMum said:
Yeah the Zootopia thing seems like the easiest "it's already somewhere else and pretty good and popular so let's just plop it here" option.

I like the idea of Incredibles, but I feel like that would just be another roller coaster and with the addition of the Monsters Inc. one I don't really think we need more in this park, but maybe they want to go full steam ahead with *Universal teen crowd* competitor with Hollywood Studios and let it rip with those type of rides. In addition to the eventual roller coaster expansion to Galaxies Edge that I'm sure is coming hah!
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I agree Disney has been going pretty heavy with coaster additions recently, I would rather see Incredibles as a cool dark ride. But I don't mind DHS going heavy into the thrills to compete with Universal. MGM was always known as the "thrill" park with ToT and RnRC as the parks one/two punch.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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Disnutz311 said:
Has there been any chatter or do we think they will start to build the Monsters Roller Coaster before closing the land? Similar to what they are doing with Encanto and it happen in phases?

The problem is Disney's Project Management. When they announced at D23 and showed concept art they had no construction drawings completed. That is evident. They have submitted the CD set for permitting but that does not have to included lighting type, finishes, and props/decor and FF&E, animatronic specs, etc. They are working on this now I suspect.

Then comes the Adaptive Project Mindset. Things always changing, major in the field decision making where 18 people need to be involved, 3000 change orders and sign offs. That's how you get to the modern day 500 million for a roller coaster and it taking 3+ years with Disney. If they had all this ready to go, ran a Predective Mindset and then gave it to the GC you would see a ton of time shaved off.
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Yes, that work starts before MV3D closes.
 
TheMaxRebo

TheMaxRebo

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Disnutz311 said:
Has there been any chatter or do we think they will start to build the Monsters Roller Coaster before closing the land? Similar to what they are doing with Encanto and it happen in phases?

The problem is Disney's Project Management. When they announced at D23 and showed concept art they had no construction drawings completed. That is evident. They have submitted the CD set for permitting but that does not have to included lighting type, finishes, and props/decor and FF&E, animatronic specs, etc. They are working on this now I suspect.

Then comes the Adaptive Project Mindset. Things always changing, major in the field decision making where 18 people need to be involved, 3000 change orders and sign offs. That's how you get to the modern day 500 million for a roller coaster and it taking 3+ years with Disney. If they had all this ready to go, ran a Predective Mindset and then gave it to the GC you would see a ton of time shaved off.
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Chatter? Sure, but nothing from Disney beyond "construction will be going in 2025" - but we don't know what that means. That could be for the show building backstage and Muppets Courtyard is intact for quite a while. Like they just said for Dinosaur staying open all of 2025.

Guess a lot depends on the order of things - do they do the RnRC change first and have that done and then close MV3D or do they try to do that whole area before RNRC know they have the villains show opening there and don't want construction that area?
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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WeNamedTheDogIndiana said:
Well, they don't want to work on things like animatronics or flooring before they can make social media posts to those effects. Just look at how the State of Florida is waiting for clarification on Cars with, what - 11 days to go? Disney wants fan approval before they get media approval before they get state approval, and the resulting fan approval is what determines their immediate next steps.

It's not bureaucracy. It's not marketing. It's really not capitalism, when it all comes down to it. It's just nerves.
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They did not have their civil engineer hold off on work because of fan approval.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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ToTBellHop said:
I actually interpreted this as “2025 isn’t its last year” and it will close after Dino. It certainly can wait. It opens after Indy and the work on the Muppet theater is far less complicated than what will happen for Indy.
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In theory if Monsters Land doesn‘t open until 2028 they could keep MV3D open into 2027. I can’t imagine the show update and whatever cosmetic changes are needed for the outside of the theater take more than a year. Just because they can doesn’t mean they will. I assume the restaurants could also stay open for a while. If the ride is going to take 3 years to build I assume the updates to the rest of the buildings can wait at least a year or 2.
 

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