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[JMcMahonEsq]

Disney wont be held accountable, they never are.

Folks just make excuses and many times blame the fans.

Cant wait to see what we end up with in the new cars area.

Who would be entitled to hold Disney "accountable" and what exactly are they going to hold them accountable for?

Seriously Disney puts out ideas, sneak previews, about future plans. These aren't contracts, they aren't binding agreements. They are teasers, nothing more. They don't owe the general public anything as far as timing for construction, scheduling, what it costs, what changes are made during design and during construction, what might be value engineered, ect.

Whoever Disney gets to build the ride will have a contract. There will be a CPM schedule for completion, and a mechanism for enforcement to hold them accountable for hitting the agreed upon deadlines.

There is a world of difference between the two. Disney putting out information to the public for advertising isn't a binding agreement that any should think entitles them to either updates/future information, or that Disney is someonehow held to doing exactly what they said they were going to do/build.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Who would be entitled to hold Disney "accountable" and what exactly are they going to hold them accountable for?

Seriously Disney puts out ideas, sneak previews, about future plans. These aren't contracts, they aren't binding agreements. They are teasers, nothing more. They don't owe the general public anything as far as timing for construction, scheduling, what it costs, what changes are made during design and during construction, what might be value engineered, ect.

Whoever Disney gets to build the ride will have a contract. There will be a CPM schedule for completion, and a mechanism for enforcement to hold them accountable for hitting the agreed upon deadlines.

There is a world of difference between the two. Disney putting out information to the public for advertising isn't a binding agreement that any should think entitles them to either updates/future information, or that Disney is someonehow held to doing exactly what they said they were going to do/build.

A previous post said folks on these boards hold Disney accountable for what is released in their concept drawings I simply said Disney is never held accountable for anything and folks just make excuses and blame fans for having expectations.

You are correct, Disney will do what Disney will do and nothing said on these boards matter.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes, Disney is super fast when building DVC towers...

New hotels, like a new gate, is all expenses and no revenue until it opens. And so, there is a monetary incentive to build them as fast as possible.

A new ride in a 365 day theme park that's already making a big profit doesn't need to be built as fast as possible. The park is already profitable. There is little incentive to build a new ride as fast as possible. And if you don't have all the cash on hand to build it, you slow-build as profits build up to afford finishing the project.

 

[GoofGoof]

And the waterfall hasn't been on in a long time...

Now that is a legit gripe.

I have much less of a problem with ”stuff” being cut out between early concept art and opening and much more of a problem with show effects and ride elements not operating as they should. Disney literally made a name for themselves in the theme park space by being over the top with attention to detail so it baffles me when I see things like that.

 

[GoofGoof]

A previous post said folks on these boards hold Disney accountable for what is released in their concept drawings I simply said Disney is never held accountable for anything and folks just make excuses and blame fans for having expectations.

You are correct, Disney will do what Disney will do and nothing said on these boards matter.

Nothing you say matters….everything I write is important

 

[Disstevefan1]

New hotels, like a new gate, is all expenses and no revenue until it opens. And so, there is a monetary incentive to build them as fast as possible.

A new ride in a 365 day theme park that's already making a big profit doesn't need to be built as fast as possible. The park is already profitable. There is little incentive to build a new ride as fast as possible. And if you don't have all the cash on hand to build it, you slow-build as profits build up to afford finishing the project.

SeaWorld built three new coasters in three years.... They are obviously doing it wrong

 

[JackCH]

SeaWorld built three new coasters in three years.... They are obviously doing it wrong

I don’t have the data, but something tells me Seaworld has more incentive to build fast and draw people than the other Orlando parks.

Plus, straight coasters seem easier than the heavily themed experiences at Disney/Universal.

 

[LSLS]

Comparing to Sea World doesn't make sense. They are two companies that do things differently. Sea World relies on quickly adding things to get people coming through the doors, while Disney feels they have the base coming in so that they can defer all the costs over multiple years. As frustrating as it is to watch Disney drag things out for as long as they do as a fan, it's a strategy they can afford.

 

[J.E.Smith]

Oh dear, I just realized if they moved MuppetVision to the Magic Eye Theater, that would give Disney an excuse to turn Imagination into Muppet Labs with a Muppet IP crossover with Figment (which would be funny since Dave Goelz did voice Figment heh)

 

[Blobbles]

Oh dear, I just realized if they moved MuppetVision to the Magic Eye Theater, that would give Disney an excuse to turn Imagination into Muppet Labs with a Muppet IP crossover with Figment (which would be funny since Dave Goelz did voice Figment heh)

I think that was a real thing at one point. I’ve seen DSNY newscast talk about it and other insiders allude to it in the past.

 

[J4546]

Oh dear, I just realized if they moved MuppetVision to the Magic Eye Theater, that would give Disney an excuse to turn Imagination into Muppet Labs with a Muppet IP crossover with Figment (which would be funny since Dave Goelz did voice Figment heh)

id be ok with that

 

[WorldExplorer]

Magic Eye Theater does not have the infrastructure necessary to host Muppet Vision. Even if you dismiss the need for all the special effects (like broken walls) and Sweetums, it NEEDS the animatronics. The film makes no sense without them, as characters regularly address other characters in the opera boxes.

In a best case scenario where they were actually willing to undertake converting a theater to fit Muppet Vision (something I still find very unlikely), Magic Eye would be a very unlikely candidate for it to work in. It shares a building with a ride. Animatronics need ways to access them in case they break, so the show needs room outside of the room everyone sits in. What's behind the walls in there? If it's anything other than empty space, then you've got a real problem, and the odds of all of them not having anything important behind them is pretty unlikely.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Magic Eye Theater does not have the infrastructure necessary to host Muppet Vision. Even if you dismiss the need for all the special effects (like broken walls) and Sweetums, it NEEDS the animatronics. The film makes no sense without them, as characters regularly address other characters in the opera boxes.

In a best case scenario where they were actually willing to undertake converting a theater to fit Muppet Vision (something I still find very unlikely), Magic Eye would be a very unlikely candidate for it to work in. It shares a building with a ride. Animatronics need ways to access them in case they break, so the show needs room outside of the room everyone sits in. What's behind the walls in there? If it's anything other than empty space, then you've got a real problem, and the odds of all of them not having anything important behind them is pretty unlikely.

Magic Eye should have a custom show meant to utilize the motion floor and tickle gag.

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ✨ ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Gonna throw this out there just because it's a way they could potentially make it work: Screenz!

I know. Would having the broken wall effect (projection mapping?) and the Bean Bunny and Statler and Waldorf balconies as screen-based versions satisfy the bulk of the show's elements to allow for a cohesive MV3D Encore? Is it a compromise that would be satisfactory? Hypothetical of course.

Sweetums would still cameo. The only missing elements would be the penguin orchestra pit and the Swedish Chef gag at finale. 85-90% of the base show and still retaining the 3D and 4D physical effects. The question is would subbing in screen versions of AA versions of Puppets be too far removed?

 

[J4546]

Could it go in hyperion?

 

[Blobbles]

Magic Eye should have a custom show meant to utilize the motion floor and tickle gag.

Tickle gag I get, but I feel the fans and motion seats in the theatre could really enhance the “vaccum-muppet” segment where everything gets sucked. The seats shaking around like they are actually about to get lifted from the floor? That’d be cool.


Also though, were my “muppet labs has been considered for figment in the past”
Comment correct? I don’t wanna go around spouting misinformation.

 

[Blobbles]

Gonna throw this out there just because it's a way they could potentially make it work: Screenz!

I know. Would having the broken wall effect (projection mapping?) and the Bean Bunny and Statler and Waldorf balconies as screen-based versions satisfy the bulk of the show's elements to allow for a cohesive MV3D Encore? Is it a compromise that would be satisfactory? Hypothetical of course.

Sweetums would still cameo. The only missing elements would be the penguin band and the Swedish Chef gag at finale. 85-90% of the base show and still retaining the 3D and 4D physical effects. The question is would subbing in screen versions of AA version of puppets be too far removed?

I think personally the balconies could still fit inside the theatre. I don’t know how essential that elevated stage part below the screen is but if they could gut it maybe sweetums and the penguins could fit? Not familiar with that space. Not sure about chef.


The exploded walls would be gone, also the fireworks on the ceiling and smoke pouring out of screen maybe?
Biggest loss would be the pre show area. Would lose all the fun gags.

Still dunno how good it would look though.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Can someone make another decade list with the rides and experiences removed or never built?

In total not impressed

2012- Snow Whites Scary adventure
2014 - Maelstrom, American Idol, Camp Minnie mickey, Backlot tour, Streets of America
2017 - Ellen’s Energy Adventure, Great Movie ride
2019 - Innoventions
2023 - Spash Mountain
2025- Dinoland
Unknown- ROA, Muppets

 

[MrPromey]

2010/11 was pretty empty like I said with additions, but that's not "decade(s)" like you originally posted. I think 2010/2011 is going to closer mirror 2025/26 as far as offerings. Except we'll get TT3 next year if you want to count that.

I just listed stuff that came to the parks. Like New Fantasyland opened with some stuff and then later came 7DMT. it was long enough to split them out vs. SWGE and Rise.

Except they were the same project - that construction ended up taking longer on the main component not allowing it to open along with the rest and then counting that as a second thing is basically rewarding them for the delay...

Also, the majority of your list weren't "additions".

And sorry, I think it's pretty sad you had to include something like Launch Bay which was never more than a glorified meet-and-greet that should have closed as soon as the actual land opened but somehow still exists to fill space - why not include the Epcot redevelopment preview center on that list if you're going to use things like that and the singalong that were equally minimal effort (and also another downgraded reskin of a previous attraction)?

I also didn't say decades with an "s". I said decade+ indicating more than 10 years but as I previously conceded, that was forgetting NFL that did add one attraction more than was removed along with a permanent meet-and-greet.

But I guess what I should have said was a decade+ with only the underwhelming NFL in response to Hogsmead and (mostly downgraded) reskins of existing attractions to show for it.

Again, agree to disagree.

 

[JD80]

Except they were the same project - that construction ended up taking longer on the main component not allowing it to open along with the rest and then counting that as a second thing is basically rewarding them for the delay...

Also, the majority of your list weren't "additions".

And sorry, I think it's pretty sad you had to include something like Launch Bay which was never more than a glorified meet-and-greet that should have closed as soon as the actual land opened but somehow still exists to fill space - why not include the Epcot redevelopment preview center on that list if you're going to use things like that and the singalong that were equally minimal effort (and also another downgraded reskin of a previous attraction)?

I also didn't say decades with an "s". I said decade+ indicating more than 10 years but as I previously conceded, that was forgetting NFL that did add one attraction more than was removed along with a permanent meet-and-greet.

But I guess what I should have said was a decade+ with only the underwhelming NFL in response to Hogsmead and (mostly downgraded) reskins of existing attractions to show for it.

Again, agree to disagree.

Stop putting emotions into my post, I'm not emotionally investing in proving one side or the other. I'm also trying not to be hypercritical or hyperdefensive here. I don't need you writing "It's pretty sad.." and putting intention behind my posts.

I am listing notable additions to the parks in that given year, that's it. You can infer what that means on your own.

New Fantasyland opened Dec 2012. 7DMT opened May of 2014. So if you took your vacation every may you saw something new in 2013 and 2014. You want to be critical about delays, go ahead. But it was something new in the park that year.

My only point is that WDW has, more often than not over the last 20 years, added something to the parks. You can spin your wheels arguing if it was an upgrade or downgrade, but it won't be with me.