News Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[dmw]

That's exactly it. Outside of people here, most of your average guest doesn't care about the Muppets or nostalgia of the parks. They want IP they know and new attractions.

I think you are only half correct. I don't think people care about IP. There were a lot of posts on this forum how Avatar was a poor choice because people did not know/like the movie or IP. Yet, the land and rides are hugely popular.

I think the average guest just wants new attractions.

However... IP based attractions probably help to sell merch, based on IP recognition.

 

[GoofGoof]

why the separation between the two?

It could be possible the film is preserved on Disney+ or even by itself in a different theater and the “other parts of the experience” could be moved to RNRC probably in the queue or even used for a different show in the theater next door. It’s possible they preserve both the movie and the physical props but not together.

 

[disneylandtour]

As it currently stands, ToT and Indy are the only two classic MGM attractions still standing. If Indy is on the chopping block because he’s moving to AK, they need to throw us fans a bone and at least protect ToT. After they took GMR from us ToT is the backbone of the entire park

What Star Tours is older than Tower.

 

[Brer Panther]

Chapek's reign truly was awful, but not for nothing, Iger is still pretty responsible too. Chapek was his pick, he was still with the company while Chapek was in charge, and he swooped in after he was booted and did nothing to fix all the awful "Chapek" decisions. If Iger is being honesty when he said they knew for "five years before [Epic Universe] was publicly announced", that's still mostly his time in charge. Iger had from 2014 to 2020 and then 2022 to present to get projects moving and instead he did nothing major in that time aside from Pandora and Galaxy's Edge, which again was 100% in response to the Wizarding World.

But even still, how many of these plans they have going now existed before the Chapek era? Tropical Americas, Monsters Inc, Cars, Villains, etc., they all feel like they're quick decisions made to try to get something moving before Epic Universe gets to Phase 2. I can't think of any publicly known plan that feels like it's been a long time in the making.

How long was Chapek actually CEO? Iger came back a few months after he left the first time, then left at the end of 2021 before returning and replacing Chapek.

Superhero Courtyard with a Big Hero 6 coaster, Incredibles stage show and Dr Strange dark ride? I'm all for it.

I agree, but I'm not sure Hollywood Studios needs more coasters. So couldn't Big Hero 6 or Incredibles be a dark ride as well?

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Alternatively, just rebuild MuppetVision in the Sunset Showcase and say they're making the "first ever true Muppets land". If the choices are no MuppetVision or MuppetVision on the other side of the park, I'd take that. As nostalgic as Muppets Courtyard is, it's been neutered for years, so I'd rather a fresh build that can go full Muppet mayhem.


That's fair. I suppose it's better to save the AC for something big, though I really hope it's something original. Another clone land would be super disappointing, DHS desperately needs more unique offerings- I believe right now the only exclusive attractions are MuppetVision, Rock n Rollercoaster, and Tower of Terror?

Slinky dog dash, and alien saucers as well, plus One Man’s Dream

 

[lentesta]

By great moments, do you mean the HOP history show concept? And are there other concepts for the muppets elsewhere at diff parks being developed too?

Yes to the HOP concept. I can’t talk about the other stuff right now. It would identify the teams involved.

 

[lentesta]

Would whatever they could theoretically put on Disney+ include any recordings or recreations of the in-theater effects?

No, but with a VR headset it might work.

 

[zipadee999]

What Star Tours is older than Tower.

Thanks, forgot about Star Tours.

However I still wouldn’t really lump it in as I don’t consider Adventures Continue to be the same attraction as the original Star Tours. I guess I’d still acknowledge it as a classic-era DHS attraction but the original experience is long gone. As for being the backbone of the park, I still wouldn’t consider it the E ticket that ToT is or the draw that Indy is

 

[Blobbles]

Yes to the HOP concept. I can’t talk about the other stuff right now. It would identify the teams involved.

I am so down for this muppets theme park rennisance. Unfortunate that it had to come at the cost of mippetvision but still I’m down for as many muppet stuff that WDI wants to do. Though I wonder how far along or likley any of this is.

 

[disneylandtour]

Cinderella's Castle to be knocked down for a new in-park DVC tower?

Naw, you're totally missing it--Come stay in the ultra-secrect DVC Utiladors, buy direct at just $235 per point.

 

[disneylandtour]

For all that is good and holy, make sure you do NOT Google "MILF Theater" on your work computer...

I think you should google "MILF" and "That guy" and see what comes up.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I think you should google "MILF" and "That guy" and see what comes up.

Thanks for getting me fired.

 

[disneylandtour]

My understanding is it's a much more short-term thing. Think about what they could throw into a park with just a few months of planning, that doesn't involve major construction or WDI.

A Dr. Strange Churro cart?

 

[SpectreJordan]

While like I said - I don't believe The Muppets belong in WDW - they belong at Sesame Place.
I do clearly see how their "everything falls apart and goes nuts" finale style will really work with the coaster.
However...
I do wonder what portion of Sesame Street age little ones are going to board that ride and be shocked (along with their parents) as they are rocketed in a high G launch, into a loop, and through a barrel roll?
Because no matter how well Disney attempts to make the severity of the ride clear, there are going to be a sizable portion of riders who think this is Slinky Dog Dash II.

The Muppets aren't the same target audience as the Sesame Street gang. Most of their shows & movies are for all ages but they definitely have more of an edge to them than the Sesame Street characters.

 

[MisterPenguin]

No, Disney is not only now worried about EU.

TWDC will run just fine even if one of their park location's revenue dips a bit.

While EU was in the works, TWDC made getting streaming going their number one priority.

That means, it was more important than the parks, even WDW. And more important than theatrical releases.

While TWDC was pouring billions into streaming, they purchased Fox.

There was no money left to go to war with EU. Which was fine for them. They were looking at the health of the whole company, not just the Orlando park.

Now that the fallout of purchasing Fox is done and streaming it turning a profit, TWDC can invest billions into the parks. Which they announced they would do. Even so far as guaranteeing big chunks of that $60 with local government. It's not vapor capex. (Altho, cost overruns can reduce the scope of what they planned, even tho they're still spending $60B).

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I've always said that Big Hero Six should have taken over RnRC and the Guardians Tower should have been Florida's, as the design of that tower allows for a more adventure-themed storyline. I'd be down with a Doctor Strange retheme as well.

Just leave our Tower alone, thank you very much!

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Doesn't make them right

It doesn't make anyone who wants the opposite right though either. There is no one side that's wrong or right. This is not the black and white clear cut thing that people here like to make it out to be.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

How long was Chapek actually CEO? Iger came back a few months after he left the first time, then left at the end of 2021 before returning and replacing Chapek.

I don't think that question really gets us to the answer of why Chapek's tenure was so awful. It's not the changes (as we know, many of them came from Iger), it's the damage Chapek did on an individual basis removed from those changes. He was an exceptionally bad mouthpiece for the company and said a lot of things that really skewered the public's perception of Disney. Iger's decisions have hurt that perception too, but it's crucial to note that Iger is generally a far more digestible voice for the company (most of the time that is, he's had some major Chapek like slip ups in his second run).

Chapek wasn't around long, but he was around just long enough to say some very stupid things very publicly that initiated a very rapid shift in the tide for how the public spoke about the company at a very precarious time. That is ultimately why I think Chapek deserves a big hunk of the blame for certain issues we have now. Iger does too, but purely looking at unpopular changes is only half the story. Iger's made a lot of unpopular changes, but aside from his comments about the strikes, I would say his communication as the CEO has never hurt the company as much as Chapek's did.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It doesn't make anyone who wants the opposite right though either. There is no one side that's wrong or right. This is not the black and white clear cut thing that people here like to make it out to be.

I dunno, how do we generally feel about people who destroy or fundamentally alter works of art for mercenary reasons?

So the question becomes - are theme parks art? We've gone through this with film, TV, comics, video games - and I suspect the answer for theme parks will be the same as it was for those.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

I dunno, how do we generally feel about people who destroy or fundamentally alter works of art for mercenary reasons?

So the question becomes - are theme parks art? We've gone through this with film, TV, comics, video games - and I suspect the answer for theme parks will be the same as it was for those.

I don't personally feel that this is the same thing as film, TV, comics, or video games because by nature, theme park rides are not permanent. Long lasting, sure, but not permanent. They're not going to last forever in the same way that a film can live on, or a TV show can live on, or an album can live on. I absolutely believe they're art, but I also cannot pretend they don't have an expiration date.

What is unique about this medium is that when one piece of art reaches the end of it's lifespan, it can be replaced by a new piece of art. The debate that gets waged here is whether or not that new art is of the same caliber as the old art, and that is where I say there is no right or wrong answer to that question. Someone isn't wrong for liking a new ride just as someone isn't wrong for preferring what was there before.

We can argue all day about it, but that's just the simple fact of it all. No one side is objectively correct because there is no such thing as objectivity when it comes to what people enjoy. It is purely subjective in every possible way. There is nothing on this planet that everyone universally derives joy from.

MuppetVision's film is being preserved. That is the piece of this particular artwork that has no expiration and will live on well beyond the building it was shown in. The attraction itself though from the moment it opened had the same ticking clock that every theme park ride does because they simply cannot and will not last forever. I know you will disagree with me on that.

But I truly look at theme park rides like a theater production. From the moment that production opens, it's a ticking clock to when it closes. Yes, someone somewhere else can stage another version of that show, but it's not the same. It's a different version. That one show will only last as long as its run, and when that run ends, that particular show is gone for good. What other version comes after may not be as good as the one that came before it. What entirely new show moves into the theater once that show finishes its run may be better than the show that was there before. That's just how it goes. These things just don't last forever.