We can debate bad choices all we want, personally, I think worst one of them all was just everything about Harmonius. The barges, the price/over budget, the choices, what it replaced, etc. That's the one I'll never let go
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News Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios
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UNCgolf
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Right now, replacing Muppetvision is all bad news regardless of any future plans for the Muppets.
It means that once again they aren't doing anything to actually improve DHS or add capacity (and will potentially make DHS even worse), and who knows if/when any future expansions that might use the essentially abandoned Launch Bay/Animation Courtyard area will happen. They haven't announced anything, and even if they have plans, they could be pushed off for a decade or more, especially with a new CEO coming in 2026 (supposedly).
The park would be better off if the Monsters Inc. coaster was cancelled than having it replace Muppetvision. And I'm not saying this because I'm a big fan of Muppetvision -- I'm honestly not sure I've ever even seen it.
It means that once again they aren't doing anything to actually improve DHS or add capacity (and will potentially make DHS even worse), and who knows if/when any future expansions that might use the essentially abandoned Launch Bay/Animation Courtyard area will happen. They haven't announced anything, and even if they have plans, they could be pushed off for a decade or more, especially with a new CEO coming in 2026 (supposedly).
The park would be better off if the Monsters Inc. coaster was cancelled than having it replace Muppetvision. And I'm not saying this because I'm a big fan of Muppetvision -- I'm honestly not sure I've ever even seen it.
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Disstevefan1
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Filling in ROA is truly an awful idea, but I will not label it the worst until I see what replaces it.
At this moment, for me Rocket Rods is the worst because not only did the replacement attraction fail, but the people mover track was also destroyed and cannot be reused or even removed. Folks must look at the old abandoned track as a constant reminder of the mistake.
Now if whatever they put to replace ROA fails, THEN filling in ROA will be the absolutely the worst.
SplashJacket
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I don’t care much about TSI getting axed, or even a large portion of ROA, what’s utter insanity to me is not preserving the riverfront and docking Liberty Bell to preserve the atmosphere and views
Bocabear
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Breaking the thematic areas within the park plan is always bad... It was bad when they put Tiana's New Orleans in the middle of Frontierland... it will be worse when the river is gone and it is replaced with an automobile road rally around mountains that look like car parts... At that point the thematic areas no longer even work....Might as well put a Mulan ride on Main Street and Cinderella in Adventureland....
Disstevefan1
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Don't give them any ideas
Chip Chipperson
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At least that eas something they could fix relatively quickly, even if it was an obviously awful decision to install thise barges in the first place. Putting a land in the wrong spot is much tougher to wave away as if it never existed.
Disgruntled Walt
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A conversation from regions beyond...
Jim: "Walt, that company you started really is making some stupid choices with the characters of mine that they bought."
Walt, shaking his head and sighing: "That's the story of my afterlife, Jim, the story of my afterlife."
Jim: "Walt, that company you started really is making some stupid choices with the characters of mine that they bought."
Walt, shaking his head and sighing: "That's the story of my afterlife, Jim, the story of my afterlife."
ToTBellHop
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If they ARE closing MV3D, today is a smart day to announce it. Not even Josh Gad will notice.
Purduevian
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On the flip side, if they are doing something with Muppets and HOP... They really should have made the annoucement before yesterday.
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That was our experience as well, in September. Everything working.
Coaster Lover
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Would be bad optics for sure... especially given that they were seemingly starting to gain back some favor with their more right leaning clientele (who had been quite strongly anti-Disney for a nice little while)
Same in October. Even effects I forgot about, like smoke.
Altho, live action Sweetums didn't show up.
Brer Panther
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This is all Muppets Most Wanted's fault. Everything was going great until that movie came along.
TrainsOfDisney
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Which was a very fun movie! Honestly it felt more like the original Jim Henson movies then even the Brian Henson / Oz movies.
Brer Panther
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It was two hours of the filmmakers pointing and laughing at how stupid the Muppets are. And the Muppets are not supposed to be stupid.
The Leader of the Club
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I really like Most Wanted, but in order for that premise to work the audience has to buy that none of the Muppets (except Animal & Walter) suspect anything wrong with Kermit. So it did make them much more oblivious than they have been in the past. I totally see how that may not work for everyone, but I don't think it is solely to blame for the current state of the franchise.
Brer Panther
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Exactly! The Muppets, except for Kermit, Animal, and Walter, are turned into hive-minded morons for the sole purpose of doing that stupid "CHARACTER A steals CHARACTER B's identity and despite how obvious it is that it's not CHARACTER B everyone falls for it because they're suddenly idiots" cliche. I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people decided not to see the film as soon as they found out the movie was about that cliche (although being up against Divergent clearly didn't help either).
It kind of is. It scared Disney away from doing more theatrical Muppet movies, and instead of basically being a new Muppet Show the ABC series (which I did like in spite of its flaws) was very clearly made the way it was to cash in on the success of other "mockumentary" shows like Modern Family and Parks and Recreation. People misunderstood the show (which we were honestly lucky to get at all), assumed that it was going to be a televised Avenue Q with actual Muppet characters, and didn't watch it, resulting in it getting cancelled. Then they pinned the blame on Steve Whitmire and had him blacklisted, and then it's been a series of ups and downs.
The live shows were great, and then we got the phenomenally lousy Muppets Now. Then we got Muppets Haunted Mansion, which was good. Then we got nothing. Then we got the Electric Mayhem show, which was great when it was focusing on the Electric Mayhem but spent way too much time on the boring human characters. But despite how much everyone loved the show, Disney canned it after one season and now we have... nothing! I don't think a single new Muppets production has been announced since.