DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[celluloid]

You need to read what I wrote again.

I’m talking about three decades;
1. Eisner’s last decade
2. Bob’s First Decade
3. Bob’s second decade.

1. Bad decisions, with weaning investment
2. Worse investment (lowest point)
3. Better

8B would place it more towards the good, not stagnant side. Significantly above 2004-14. 17B would be an amazing investment decade; at least in terms of capital. Decisions are one thing, stagnation another.

I think you should read what you wrote earlier and this post.
The billions is trying to fix it from being stagnant means the last two decades were in fact, stagnant.

They are playing catch up and rushing decisions because of stagnation. "Quick, we gave them star wars land already, too little too late so, give them the door coaster, but make it a land, a RNR retheme."
Proof is in the need.

 

[James Alucobond]

I think you should read what you wrote earlier and this post.
The billions is trying to fix it from being stagnant means the last two decades were in fact, stagnant.

They are playing catch up and rushing decisions because of stagnation. "Quick, we gave them star wars land already, too little too late so, give them the door coaster, but make it a land, a RNR retheme."
Proof is in the need.

You’re basically saying the same thing he’s saying, just in less charitable terms that don’t really acknowledge that a lot has been done in the last decade. You’re right that it’s not enough and that there is still an immense need for improvement, but that’s the downstream effect of stagnation as policy (billed as “maturity”) from quite a while ago. The parks are basically half updated and half not because there was a missing chunk of 15-20 years in terms of proper investment, which still has a very palpable impact today in spite of not being wholly representative of the recent past.

 

[Jedi14]

You are referring to Dave Goelz correct?

In the game Disney Speedstorm, Figment has a different voice actor.

 

[Blobbles]

A lot of the pain I am also guessing comes from the hurt of seeing the Disney World/Parks that you have come to grow up with and enjoy over your life changing so drastically. I get it. I’m there and have been there before too. Hell, I remember when Toy Story Mania and Star Tours the adventures continue were the hot new additions to Disney world, when things like the hat and toontown still remained, and wishes and illuminations still showed nightly. Disney World is changing, and that suck for us because we get so emotionally invested and attached to what we have now. But I promised it’s not gonna be that bad. It’s better to be optimistic than to be “this sucks”. And don’t give me any of that “imagineering is dead ip” cr*p, give them a chance in an era unconnected to chapek.

 

[Casper Gutman]

A lot of the pain I am also guessing comes from the hurt of seeing the Disney World/Parks that you have come to grow up with and enjoy over your life changing so drastically. I get it. I’m there and have been there before too. Hell, I remember when Toy Story Mania and Star Tours the adventures continue were the hot new additions to Disney world, when things like the hat and toontown still remained, and wishes and illuminations still showed nightly. Disney World is changing, and that suck for us because we get so emotionally invested and attached to what we have now. But I promised it’s not gonna be that bad. It’s better to be optimistic than to be “this sucks”. And don’t give me any of that “imagineering is dead ip” cr*p, give them a chance in an era unconnected to chapek.

Chapek was hand-picked by Iger and continued most of his overarching philosophy concerning WDW.

I’ve seemingly been around much longer then you and I can say, based on long experience of Disney replacements and changes to Imagineering over that time, there is absolutely no chance that whatever replaces Muppets will be better then or equal to the current attraction. I love MMRR, but that’s the PEAK of replacement attractions and it was only a lateral move. Replacements simply don’t surpass originals, and it certainly won’t happen with an attraction largely created by a once-in-a-generation genius. We have ample evidence that modern Imagineering simply cannot write comedy - the Bears overhaul removed almost all humor and the writing in GotG is appalling.

 

[aladdin2007]

Chapek was hand-picked by Iger and continued most of his overarching philosophy concerning WDW.

I’ve seemingly been around much longer then you and I can say, based on long experience of Disney replacements and changes to Imagineering over that time, there is absolutely no chance that whatever replaces Muppets will be better then or equal to the current attraction. I love MMRR, but that’s the PEAK of replacement attractions and it was only a lateral move. Replacements simply don’t surpass originals, and it certainly won’t happen with an attraction largely created by a once-in-a-generation genius. We have ample evidence that modern Imagineering simply cannot write comedy - the Bears overhaul removed almost all humor and the writing in GotG is appalling.

And to add to that we wont even start on the tiana mess, so agree with all the above. One can't blame one for thinking Imagineerings chops are not what they use to be and lack the artistic creative skilled approach they use to have, they are techys using tablets now and not so much artists show designers.

 

[celluloid]

And to be clear a
since it was recently asked if we really want Diney to do what Uni is doing, I don't think anyone wants Disney to do what Universal is doing per se, but Universal at their best is better than whatever current Disney is doing.

 

[EagleScout610]

This why I like Peter Linz instead since he Voiced Ernie on Sesame Street..It's the closest to Jim's and Steve's..

You're right that's extremely close to Jim and Steve. Whoever voices Bert is pretty spot on too.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

You're right that's extremely close to Jim and Steve. Whoever voices Bert is pretty spot on tothe.

Eric Jacobson took most of Frank Oz's roles...

 

[splah]

What are the chances they move the miss piggy fountain to RnRC?

It's such a nice dynamic fountian

 

[ToTBellHop]

What are the chances they move the miss piggy fountain to RnRC?

It's such a nice dynamic fountian

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[The Leader of the Club]

What are the chances they move the miss piggy fountain to RnRC?

It's such a nice dynamic fountian

Sources inside Disney have reportedly told Muppet fansite ToughPigs that they are “investigating options for a new location for the statue.” So it’s possible, albeit unlikely, we see it return over there.

 

[Blobbles]

Sources inside Disney have reportedly told Muppet fansite ToughPigs that they are “investigating options for a new location for the statue.” So it’s possible, albeit unlikely, we see it return over there.

Yknow, if it was only the statue, it make sense to be in front of an attraction about American history…

 

[ToTBellHop]

Sources inside Disney have reportedly told Muppet fansite ToughPigs that they are “investigating options for a new location for the statue.” So it’s possible, albeit unlikely, we see it return over there.

The statue? Sure. But not the fountain.

 

[Cmdr_Crimson]

The statue? Sure. But not the fountain.

Does bring up the question as to what happened to the other pieces (Fozzie, Gonzo, Animal, and the other rats) if they went into the Archives or if they could reuse them..

 

[SpectreJordan]

I love Cosmic Rewind, I just wish they put it in HS. Perhaps with a Star Tours retheme and a Dr Strange ride to make a little Marvel area?

Guardians & Dr Strange as a Marvel land with an expansion pad for a potential Avengers ride (or a Marvel property that they can use in Orlando that eventually becomes popular) should've been what they did.

It's crazy that this wasn't what happened; they're obsessed with lands & this could've made DHS even bigger.

 

[JackCH]

Guardians & Dr Strange as a Marvel land with an expansion pad for a potential Avengers ride (or a Marvel property that they can use in Orlando that eventually becomes popular) should've been what they did.

It's crazy that this wasn't what happened; they're obsessed with lands & this could've made DHS even bigger.

I had an imagineering thing from a while ago which was a Marvel Land to replace Indy/Star Tours at DHS... Star Tours became themed to Incredibles and had a little mini-Land around it, and then Cosmic Rewind and a Dr Strange Dark Ride would replace the area at Indy and the parking lot to make a superhero section of the park.

 

[The Leader of the Club]

Guardians & Dr Strange as a Marvel land with an expansion pad for a potential Avengers ride (or a Marvel property that they can use in Orlando that eventually becomes popular) should've been what they did.

It's crazy that this wasn't what happened; they're obsessed with lands & this could've made DHS even bigger.

I think Disney just doesn’t want Marvel & Star Wars in the same park. They want to separate them so people feel like they have to visit multiple parks. That would also explain why WDSP isn’t getting Galaxy’s Edge anymore.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

Even if they used Animation courtyard and other expansion spots first, with how Disney is, of course they would want to get rid of grand avenue, with underperforming shops and restaurants, and retheme it to something else.

This re-raises the question: will it just be the Muppets Courtyard / Grand Park area that’s being rethemed, or will it also be the “Avenue” section of Grand Avenue (i.e., the street with Baseline at one end and the Galaxy’s Edge tunnel at the other)?

I’m hoping it’s the former, so the “Avenue” area functions as a visual transition that can still be Los Angeles when viewed from the Star Tours area and Commissary Lane while part of Monstropolis when viewed from inside the former Muppet Courtyard / Grand Park.

The only issue is, if it’s indeed the former, what land will it be a part of? Will it be its own mini-land like Pixar Plaza? Or might they be able to rename Commissary Lane and Grand Avenue something like “Downtown LA”?

 

[JackCH]

This re-raises the question: will it just be the Muppets Courtyard / Grand Park area that’s being rethemed, or will it also be the “Avenue” section of Grand Avenue (i.e., the street with Baseline at one end and the Galaxy’s Edge tunnel at the other)?

I’m hoping it’s the former, so the “Avenue” area functions as a visual transition that can still be Los Angeles when viewed from the Star Tours area and Commissary Lane while part of Monstropolis when viewed from inside the former Muppet Courtyard / Grand Park.

The only issue is, if it’s indeed the former, what land will it be a part of? Will it be its own mini-land like Pixar Plaza? Or might they be able to rename Commissary Lane and Grand Avenue something like “Downtown LA”?

Pretty sure it is the former, based off the concept art. I see some "monster cars" in the street outside but that's it.

It wouldn't really make sense to theme it outside that archway. Much easier to keep it in that space.

They'll probably just have it be part of Commissary Lane for now.