DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[MerlinTheGoat]

@celluloid @Ichabod Crane Thank you both for the info regarding the Nintendo and specifically DK stuff! The story I heard was that Uni Creative was using the engagement the K.Rool Smash reveal got to convince Nintendo to let them use Kremlings for EU at least and got shot down.

This seems consistent with Nintendo's policies regarding those characters, at least at the time this land was conceptualized. The early models of the DK area also had an area with an animatronic of one of the animal buddies from Rareware's original DKC trilogy- Ellie the Elephant. I don't believe she made the cut either. Only the rhino has appeared in the newer Retro Studios revival.

Nintendo went through a phase of making weird decisions regarding the sort of characters they allowed developers to use in their games. There was discussion between Nintendo and Retro Studios developers that I can't find right now, but basically Nintendo's people told Retro not to use the Kremlings and to do something different. Problem is that the new characters of the Tikis and Snowmads aren't nearly as cool or well loved as the Kremlings. I'm somewhat suspicious that there's some bad blood still between Nintendo and Rare even today. Shigeru Miyamoto wasn't a huge fan of those original games and even designed one of his own games in the 90s in a sort of opposite way even down to the art style (Yoshi's Island being one example).

This sort of meddling from Nintendo affected Paper Mario for a number of years as well, but in a sort of opposite way. They told the developers not to make unique takes on classic Nintendo owned character designs and only use the generic established designs. Paper Mario has always been known for the way it uniquely redresses old Mario characters like toads or koopas to give them more unique appearances and personalities.

They seem to have loosened up as of late. Mario games have become less visually generic compared to how they were in the 2010s. And even some of Rare's characters have had some references in newer content. Though I suspect Nintendoland came a bit too late to benefit. They ended up theming it based off the more generic Mario 3D Land/World and New Super Mario Bros series (especially the former ones). It's also a real shame that Epic is getting another clone of that same land, it's a MASSIVE missed opportunity not to theme Epic's variant after Mario Galaxy.

 

[BrianLo]

I hate to be this person, but we should not be taking his posts as gospel. Some of his posts have come true, but most of them recently were stuff already rumored beforehand. This is his post about what was to be announced before or at D23 from April. I've put in bold everything that actually was announced, and underlined everything that was announced/rumored before his post:

12.5/36, but say 13.5 because others have confirmed Moana was pulled last minute. That's a track record of 38%

Thanks for doing that legwork. To highlight for future generations on how to spot the frauds.

In addition to this being clearly a diarrhea of every existing fan rumour - 9 or 10 of these were formerly announced by Disney. Disney is the source, not Henry. Lion King was about the worst kept secret and sources to All Ears. The night parade was about the worst kept secret and sources to Steve and many, many others.

So we’re left with a Millenium Falcon new profile. In a year when there were probably 100 details that were completely missed by the insider brigade. Except the problem is I can find myself and many others chatting about this new MF profile in the Disneyland sub forum, and many of us were more accurate ‘wishing’ on Mando/grogu. It was a guess.

So, what value or insight was this poster actually verifiably providing? Even if they were legit. Even if they hadn’t admitted they were faking and yet people still were desperately defending them. One half lucky original guess and 20 wrong ones. My track record was better, many of yours too.

Make note for next time, because it will happen again and there’s still one or two others I think might have been up to the same thing. One who has also stopped posting.

 

[OptimusPrime]

I guess I could/should have said don't get your expectations up rather than don't get excited. Nothing wrong with getting excited about a potential addition that sounds cool to you; just don't expect it to happen until Disney officially announces it.

But getting expectations up is fuuuuuuuunnnnnn

 

[BasiltheBatLord]

Generally speaking, I find the more active an "insider" is on these forums, the less likely they should be taken seriously.

The people on this forum who have actual inside connections are taking risks every time they disclose something. They have to be very careful about how and when they share things, and the level of attention that comes with that.

Case in point: One thing I've noticed about Martin over the years is that he almost never openly shares information unprompted. He typically only shares what he knows when specifically asked or in response to previously unknown info surfacing.

The Internet is a new place now where attention and misinformation can fuel the everlasting grift machine. Need to be careful of believing everything you hear more than ever.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Make note for next time, because it will happen again and there’s still one or two others I think might have been up to the same thing. One who has also stopped posting.

Ah hell, Disney isn't telling us where this land is going any time soon, may as well tag these people so we have something to talk about meanwhile.

 

[bmr1591]

My one complaint with replacing Muppets (besides enjoying Muppets) is the thematic incoherence of it being placed there. Why wouldn’t you put it near your more animated lands in the park? Now, the answer may simply be that they have bigger plans for Animation Courtyard. Fair enough. But while I know Disney is most worried about providing fun new attractions that lead to merch sales, they NEED to remember the importance of theme and how things flow. They seem to have forgotten that.

 

[Bocabear]

Seems like the park could have been split down the middle at the Hub.....with Animation taking the West half and Live Action Films taking the East half... Sunset Blvd being just part of the Hollywood that Never Was and Will Always Be...at least that adds a bit of organization to the overall...rather than a patchwork of randomness... Animation Courtyard could be the Hub to the lands of Disney Animated Characters... A jumping off place for multiple Disney Animated Films minilands....

 

[Streetway]

Guys, there will be two and a half years where the monster's queue and gravity building will be under work with demolition and building it.

Mermaid was revamped to easily have something play on the left side of Animation Courtyard while the rest is under walls.

The right side will become a dining interactive location(where Disney Jr is)

And on the left side, after that Mermaid will be gutted to become the indoor Play area for Monsters Inc scene in the concept art.

(Yes I know Harryhausens is iconic and should be apart of the land. Point still stands.)

 

[Starship824]

Thanks for doing that legwork. To highlight for future generations on how to spot the frauds.

In addition to this being clearly a diarrhea of every existing fan rumour - 9 or 10 of these were formerly announced by Disney. Disney is the source, not Henry. Lion King was about the worst kept secret and sources to All Ears. The night parade was about the worst kept secret and sources to Steve and many, many others.

So we’re left with a Millenium Falcon new profile. In a year when there were probably 100 details that were completely missed by the insider brigade. Except the problem is I can find myself and many others chatting about this new MF profile in the Disneyland sub forum, and many of us were more accurate ‘wishing’ on Mando/grogu. It was a guess.

So, what value or insight was this poster actually verifiably providing? Even if they were legit. Even if they hadn’t admitted they were faking and yet people still were desperately defending them. One half lucky original guess and 20 wrong ones. My track record was better, many of yours too.

Make note for next time, because it will happen again and there’s still one or two others I think might have been up to the same thing. One who has also stopped posting.

I was always very skeptical of him and even ask him once about why I should trust him (this was before what recently happened) and I got no response, that kind of sealed the deal for me. There are very few "insiders" on the boards I actually believe and Henry Mystic wasn't one of them.

 

[rd805]

Guys, there will be two and a half years where the monster's queue and gravity building will be under work with demolition and building it.

Mermaid was revamped to easily have something play on the left side of Animation Courtyard while the rest is under walls.

The right side will become a dining interactive location(where Disney Jr is)

And on the left side, after that Mermaid will be gutted to become the indoor Play area for Monsters Inc scene in the concept art.

Take 1-2 years revamping a show to just close it 2-3 years later?
I guess it isn't impossible...it just seems.... dumb?

 

[James Alucobond]

Take 1-2 years revamping a show to just close it 2-3 years later?
I guess it isn't impossible...it just seems.... dumb?

Indeed. I realize it has some setpieces that require a certain kind of space, but if that’s what’s actually happening, they should 100% move the updated show into a different space that currently houses one of their more outdated shows. There are lots of shows that are seriously long in the tooth.

 

[Streetway]

Indeed. I realize it has some setpieces that require a certain kind of space, but if that’s what’s actually happening, they should 100% move the updated show into a different space that currently houses one of their more outdated shows. There are lots of shows that are seriously long in the tooth.

I have said it before and will say it again: BATB at dhs will outlive us all.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

If this goes to Muppets, DHS will have quite the whiplash. Starting at Start Tours you’ll go from that to Pixar (Monsters), then back to Star Wars (SWGE), back to Pixar again (TSL), then finish with Star Wars (Launch Bay).

 

[mattpeto]

I hate to be this person, but we should not be taking his posts as gospel. Some of his posts have come true, but most of them recently were stuff already rumored beforehand. This is his post about what was to be announced before or at D23 from April. I've put in bold everything that actually was announced, and underlined everything that was announced/rumored before his post:

12.5/36, but say 13.5 because others have confirmed Moana was pulled last minute. That's a track record of 38%

Man I don't know, I see way more success than you do, scoring him at 38%. He got the big ones right.

EDIT: That being said, his rants at the end felt unbalanced.

 

[ednamodedarling]

Hoping the rumor he alleged of Shanghai pirates tech coming to wdw is true ... but preferably for Moana.

 

[Prince-1]

Has anyone seen Henry Mystic and WDWPro in the same room together??

 

[DarkMetroid567]

Has anyone seen Henry Mystic and WDWPro in the same room together??

Different kinds of crazy!

 

[Prince-1]

Different kinds of crazy!

Maybe but both are just wannabe insiders.

 

[celluloid]

Take 1-2 years revamping a show to just close it 2-3 years later?
I guess it isn't impossible...it just seems.... dumb?

A few things.

1. They did not take 1 to 2 years to revamp the show in the building. The closing and starting of work were not the same time.
2. It is a saving grace and small investment because it will operate cheaper then the version of the show that was there.
3. They put themselves in the spot where the park needs things to do pronto. Especially as the other venues close to make changes. They have pulled this short-lived show thing similarly to DCA.

They have produced entirely new venues just to close them up in shorter times then that.


And yes...dumb is something WDC often is now.

 

[Rich Brownn]

By all accounts Frozen Ever After in Hong Kong (and soon to be Paris) still has an extra minute and depth to the scenes that EPCOT doesn't have. With that said, the updated ride was rendered antiquated almost immediately when Tokyo opened.

Bringing this back to Monstropolis, my suspicion is that Muppets is the target because they don't need as much space for this. Animation Courtyard opens up a larger area of land that is likely earmarked for something else. Pure speculation on this, but there are rumors that Universal may be moving on from Marvel Super Hero Island, could this be pre-emptively set aside for an Avengers Campus?

Universal will never relinquish the rights to Disney. They got such a deal it'd be suicide to turn it over to their competitor