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News Monorail Red in motion with guests on board and doors open

jakeman

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Once again you demonstrate your complete ignorance of the 'real world' in my state elevators are supposed to be inspected annually by state inspectors, the reality due to a shortage of inspectors elevators get inspected every 2-4 years, I was in a state building for crying out loud an the certificate expired in 2014!

So yeah there is an incentive to cut corners because of lax inspection regimes.
I'm not getting into elevator regulations with you. It's stupid, off topic, and something I know neither of us are an expert on (although one of us will act like it).

At the end of the day readers are going to have to decide what is more likely: my post citing regulations or the post of a documented and repeated liar saying that accountants are having the emergency call buttons of elevators disabled.
 
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wdwmagic

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Crazy to think, if the rumors are true, that Siemens offered Disney a new fleet of monorail trains to extend their sponsorship of Spaceship Earth, and were turned down...
They aren't true. The whole Spaceship Earth thing is relating to something elsewhere.
 

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
At the end of the day readers are going to have to decide what is more likely: my post citing regulations or the post of a documented and repeated liar saying that accountants are having the emergency call buttons of elevators disabled.
I know my accountant is always on me about disabling the All-stop emergency buttons at my station. "What are the odds of a fire starting at the pumps" he says. "Why waste that electricity" he says. "While we are at it. Shut down the underground tank monitor. No chance those tanks leak, don't waste your money. BONUS!!!!"

Thus far I have been able to hold off these cost cutting measures, but if bonuses are involved, I may have to put State and Federal regulations along with the safety of my employees and customers to the side.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Mean Girls Cult
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Too many years in corporate america ive seen it all and much of it is not good many elevators 'emergency' button not connected so some bean counter can 'save' the 30 bucks/mo 'because it will never be used'.
That's bull and you know it. Elevators are inspected on a regular basis - the certificate of operation is mounted in the car. If that emergency button wasn't working, the elevator would be taken out of service until the problem was fixed. They work, trust me, I've used them.

You really need to stop spreading misinformation about things you obviously have little knowledge of.
 

jakeman

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Would this be an issue that the FLDOT or OSHA (maybe not OSHA since employees weren't on board) would look into? I would think an independent inspection would be key to root causing this.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Mean Girls Cult
Premium Member
Once again you demonstrate your complete ignorance of the 'real world' in my state elevators are supposed to be inspected annually by state inspectors, the reality due to a shortage of inspectors elevators get inspected every 2-4 years, I was in a state building for crying out loud an the certificate expired in 2014!

So yeah there is an incentive to cut corners because of lax inspection regimes.
But, but, you said it was due to accountants......

The lack of state inspectors is due to legislative action, not bean counters. I rode an elevator, 6-8 times a day for over 40 years. None had an expired certificate. You must live in the state of denial.
 

Nubs70

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At this point in time it is not determined if this is an oversight in maintenance or a point failure
At this point we know it is a failure in maintenance. The question is did this event occur by circumstance or intent?

Was a fail/close sensor installed instead of a fail/open? Or was sensor intentionally bypassed?
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Mean Girls Cult
Premium Member
At this point we know it is a failure in maintenance. The question is did this event occur by circumstance or intent?

Was a fail/close sensor installed instead of a fail/open? Or was sensor intentionally bypassed?
I'd be cautious about alleging this was an intentional act on a public forum.

@jakeman is correct. None of us on this forum at this time know if it was poor maintenance or a point failure.
 

jakeman

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At this point we know it is a failure in maintenance. The question is did this event occur by circumstance or intent?

Was a fail/close sensor installed instead of a fail/open? Or was sensor intentionally bypassed?
Do we though (legitimately asking although I know it comes across as snarky)?

We know something failed, but did it fail because it was past it use life and not replaced? Was it damaged and approved? Or was this a spontaneous failure not related to maintenance?

Using probably an inadequate airplane analogy, maintenance is performed routinely on airplanes, but sometimes you get stuck at the gate (or heaven forbid crash) because something just breaks.
 

ABQ

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At this point we know it is a failure in maintenance. The question is did this event occur by circumstance or intent?

Was a fail/close sensor installed instead of a fail/open? Or was sensor intentionally bypassed?
It's hardly a known failure in maintenance. I'm not making excuses, I just can't accept that as you claim, we know it is a failure. For all we do or do not know, a brand spanking new sensor could have been installed on New Year's Day and it simply broke today. I would hope there are redundancies, but things do break, even new things.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Mean Girls Cult
Premium Member
Do we though (legitimately asking although I know it comes across as snarky)?

We know something failed, but did it fail because it was past it use life and not replaced? Was it damaged and approved? Or was this a spontaneous failure not related to maintenance?

Using probably an inadequate airplane analogy, maintenance is performed routinely on airplanes, but sometimes you get stuck at the gate (or heaven forbid crash) because something just breaks.
No, your airplane analogy was on target....
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
It's hardly a known failure in maintenance. I'm not making excuses, I just can't accept that as you claim, we know it is a failure. For all we do or do not know, a brand spanking new sensor could have been installed on New Year's Day and it simply broke today. I would hope there are redundancies, but things do break, even new things.
So you're saying it is entirely permissible for the monorail to travel with doors open under normal operation?
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Mean Girls Cult
Premium Member
So you're saying it is entirely permissible for the monorail to travel with doors open under normal operation?
That's not what he said. You're insisting that the doors opening was a failure of maintenance or an intentional act. He said that at this point it's unclear what caused the doors to open. No one has stated it is okay for the monorail to operate with a door open in one of the cars.
 

RustySpork

Oscar Mayer Memer
That's not what he said. You're insisting that the doors opening was a failure of maintenance or an intentional act. He said that at this point it's unclear what caused the doors to open. No one has stated it is okay for the monorail to operate with a door open in one of the cars.
Unless it's offered with a dessert party, then it's totally ok. :joyfull:
 

jakeman

Well-Known Member
It's hardly a known failure in maintenance. I'm not making excuses, I just can't accept that as you claim, we know it is a failure. For all we do or do not know, a brand spanking new sensor could have been installed on New Year's Day and it simply broke today. I would hope there are redundancies, but things do break, even new things.
So you're saying it is entirely permissible for the monorail to travel with doors open under normal operation?
 
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