Monorail Expansion

Goofyernmost

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Our cities are quite literally designed for cars not humans. The same is not true for Oslo Norway or many other cities in Europe, UK, etc for that matter.
I have to admit that Europe beats the snot out of us for transportation. I fell in love with the train system. It was fun, fast and very comfortable. Much more comfortable then any plane or bus that I have ever been on. I wish we could go back to trains here and set up more high speed lines. What a great way to get around and there never was a glitch in the connecting transportation either. Off the train right on the bus or subway or in the case of Venice... the water taxi. And the cost was soooo affordable. The only place where transportation was a little more difficult was Rome. They only have two major subway lines, I assume due to the fact that every time they dig a hole they find an ancient relic. That makes for a lot of walking and I can assure you that there are way more then seven hills in Rome.
 

ABQ

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Having been there.. and in major cities here... I can honestly say the issue is people here - not the city nor it's streets. The trams navigate the major arteries with traffic lights just like everyone else in their cars, and people pay the F'ing attention so they don't die. People play chicken with the buses (that have stops out away from the curb!! zOMG) more than they do with the trams. The trams run the major arteries and buses run both local and long haul routes. There is also subways and actual passenger trains that run both in the city and connecting out to the suburbs. Then there are ferries that run the cross water routes... all of it integrated.

The streets of Oslo look no different than the streets of Baltimore, DC, Philly, etc... it's just a smaller metro area.
Sounds very much like the behaviour people have around the Green line trolley cars in Boston when they run above ground through Brookline, Brighton, and such.
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Far fewer pedestrian incidents between the trolley and humans then buses and humans.
 

NormC

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Well I have heard all sorts of number for the NGE project but I think it's generally assumed that $1 Billion+ was used.
http://www.wired.com/2015/03/disney-magicband/

For a comparison of what that money will buy in terms of monorail systems. The system Bombardier recently built in Brazil is pretty close in terms of budget, especially considering that cost included land purchases. That's a 24 km line with 17 stations and 54 seven-car trains
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http://www.reuters.com/article/bombardier-brazil-idUSL2E8FDA4Z20120413
Nice concept photoshop. I just returned from two weeks in Sao Paulo and I did not see a single monorail train but did see lots of construction of the tracks especially near the airport. I saw their regular trains and lots and lots of busses. Sao Paulo is the largest city I have ever visited.
 

s8film40

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Nice concept photoshop. I just returned from two weeks in Sao Paulo and I did not see a single monorail train but did see lots of construction of the tracks especially near the airport. I saw their regular trains and lots and lots of busses. Sao Paulo is the largest city I have ever visited.
I know, it looks great! And the real thing seems to be shaping up pretty much in line with the concept.
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Jeff456

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I know this will probably never happen anyway but if they decided to earmark money for something like this I would rather it be spent inside the parks!
 

chiefs11

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There is a reason that when we leave the Contemporary heading for MK and we are on that very high section that all I can think about is if something happens here, in this spot, like a fire, I and everyone with me are going to be Disney Fried Guests. There is no escape for a large group of people.
If new monorail lines were to be built, I'm sure they'd include the emergency walkway down the middle like the one in Vegas has...

/not that it's gonna ever happen
 

GhostHost1000

Premium Member
If new monorail lines were to be built, I'm sure they'd include the emergency walkway down the middle like the one in Vegas has...

/not that it's gonna ever happen

Yeah I agree. If you think about it if something were to happen and you needed out fast in the current design...well...
 

Goofyernmost

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If new monorail lines were to be built, I'm sure they'd include the emergency walkway down the middle like the one in Vegas has...

/not that it's gonna ever happen
They certainly could, and they could do that with the existing Monorails now if they wanted too, but, we all know how that would ruin the ambience of the resort, so they don't. However, I feel strongly that they are absolutely unwilling to magnify the risk by adding anymore on. Imagine the uproar from the Guests at the Contemporary if they have to look outside and see those ugly service walkways. That is a problem for a place like WDW. A city can get away with it because their operation is strictly a service one. At WDW it doubles as an attraction and no one wants the spell to be broken. Not that attempting to get out of a burning Monorail Train at 50 feet up wouldn't constitute being a thrill ride.
 

Goofyernmost

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You like this don't you?

Though it's as possible a scenario at something like Test Track too.
Why would you say, I like that? No, I don't like that, but, not only is it possible it has happened in the past, Flat tire or something like that overheated and caught fire. It was real, it happened and it could happen again. I don't want to see it happen, but, everyone closing their eyes and not acknowledging that the herd of lawyers that Disney employs, have not pounded that into their heads quite often is just ridiculous. If they go bonkers over no doors on the tram, imagine the lawsuits coming from that. Test track has a place to get away from a burning vehicle and you, of all people, know that.

Must it always be standard procedure to sarcastically try and discredit someones opinion rather then make a case for why it shouldn't be or hasn't ever been taken into consideration. When it comes right down to it the real reason is because they don't want to spend the money to extend it, partially too, they can't do it without increasing the chance of a major liability and, did I mention they don't want to spend the money. They can't make that hazard claim publicly because of the panic it could generate. It's just common sense. One doesn't always have to be an insider to figure some things out.
 

trr1

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I have said in other monorail threads that I think that the ULTra like they have at Heathrow airport and Amritsar would work nice.
As a basic guide, a complete Ultra pod system, including guideway, stations, vehicles and control systems will cost approximately between $7-$15 million US dollars per km to construct, however individual project costs can vary considerably depending on factors relating to the surrounding environmental setting, integration requirements and the expected system usage.
 

DuckTalesWooHoo1987

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One thing I've said I wish they'd do with the monorail is add a stop at the back of Epcot near the Boardwalk and Beach Club entrance. That way people going to the World Showcase could get off back there and people from the other resorts or trying to get to the Magic Kingdom monorail could get on in the back of Epcot and ride up to the front to get to the Magic Kingdom monorail and it would sorta be like then having 5 resorts with monorail access. I don't know if it could work or not but it's a theory I've had for a few years.
 

Bulldog1653

Active Member
Hello all,

I've been following this thread with some interest and am glad to see that there are a few like-minded people like me who would like to see the monorail system undergo an expansion.
Before I go into my own reasons, I should address a few points I've seen. The light rail system that was suggested would NOT work because the work involved would be insanely expensive and would take many years to complete. I have no doubt that the original architects and engineers looked into the possibility of subways, light rails, and so on. I suspect that the primary reasons for the monorail trains were threefold: First, it was a lot easier to build an elevated system and avoid extensively disturbing the environment. Secondly, Walt Disney had the Monorail in California and it was a very short, simple novelty. He wanted to prove that this was NOT a novelty but rather a viable form of transportation. I don't remember what year it was, but Walt actually offered to implement the monorail system in the Los Angeles area and they declined in favor of the freeway system. (We've all seen how wonderful that turned out, right? :banghead: If that doesn't call for a face palm of epic proportions, then I don't know what does.) Thirdly, the monorail system eliminates snarls with traffic and allows car traffic to flow without having to wait for the trains to cross.
Yes, the monorail expansion would be expensive. In 1971, it cost about $1 Million per mile. Here's your tradeoff; the monorail trains are capable of handling up 365 passengers at full capacity. If you figure the average bus handles 70 people, that means you eliminate 5 buses for every monorail train. What's the other tradeoff? Simple, the monorails are electric powered and they eliminate the need for diesel burning buses. You also reduce the need for 5 drivers.
Having said all of this, my opinion is a resounding YES they need to expand the monorails considerably. Even if it's done in phases, it would still reduce wait times. If there was a beam added to the TTC with a few trains going to Animal Kingdom and Animal Kingdom Lodge in a similar loop like they use to and from EPCOT, that could make a HUGE difference. Over time, there could be a line going to Downtown Disney with a stop at Typhoon Lagoon.
In theory, there could be lines that stop at the various resort clusters. The monorail was designed as a viable mode of transportation and I honestly think it's time for Disney to step up and make this a reality. Does it mean buses will be eliminated entirely? No way. There will still be a need for buses to service the various locations where you can't justify a monorail line. Does an expansion of the monorail system reduce the number of buses in use? ABSOLUTELY. You reduce or eliminate the long wait for buses to show up to take you back to your resort after a day at a park. I've been there before and have had to wait upwards of an hour for buses to pick up my family and I. The bus system is inefficient at best and needs to be cut back and let the monorails take over the heavy hauling.
 

IMFearless

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I think at this time, a monorail expansion is no longer sensible, despite the fact I love the monorail.

The monorail is great for moving huge numbers of people between several points.

It's not great at moving smaller volumes of people between a huge number of points.

Driverless electric vehicles with a capacity of 12-20 guests, combined with magic band technology and MDE could be a much better system.

Imagine coming out of your resort and walking to the bus stop, your phone knows where your ADR is, you touch your magic band to the bus stop, your phone notifies you of the wait time for your vehicle, the vehicle arrives and the guests assigned to that vehicle board and are transported to their destinations grouped by computer, for example one group may be heading to O'Hana and the other could be returning to Shades of Green, the vehicle collects both groups of guests and takes them to those destinations.

Wait times would be reduced, it would be cleaner, safer, breakdowns would not halt the entire system.

WDW should partner with Apple to bring a state of the art solution, they could really lead the way on this.

It would also stop guests renting cars and keep them onsite more, but most importantly it would save money and increase guest satisfaction at the same time.
 

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