Monorail Expansion in 2007?

[BRER STITCH]

Most importantly.....

WHO'S DRIVING THE BUS WHILE YOU ARE TYPING??????



Thanks for the scoop on the bus runs!
I still say Hot Air Ballon is the way to go. Just open the hatch over the desired park and let 'em go!

:lol:

 

[JaynMACP96_97_9]

Originally posted by Invero
No GPS for us just yet. As for 20's... very rarely. Never really much of a need for it. All MOD dispatches are given out in person, and all Flex dispatches are called in at pre-set locations.

Ok, cool Tyler, thanks man!

I think we should forget about expanding the monorails at WDW and focus on connecting TDL, DLP, DL, HKD, and WDW by monorail. :drevil:

 

[Invero]

Originally posted by BRER STITCH
Most importantly.....

WHO'S DRIVING THE BUS WHILE YOU ARE TYPING??????

What? It doesnt drive by itself? I wonder if that big round device has something to do with it... :drevil:

 

[Big Pooh]

quote by Invero:
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It's important to note that Old Key West, and Animal Kingdom Lodge do not participate in MOD. The reason for this is that they typically do not have the demand that MOD was created for.
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I'm wondering if this is why I see so many complaints about the bus service at AKL. I'm sure on some days AKL is full, which would make for long waits to and from the parks. Does Disney do anything about this on Extremely busy days, Holidays etc.?

Peace Love and Mickey...

Cheers :wave:

 

[Invero]

Originally posted by Big Pooh
I'm wondering if this is why I see so many complaints about the bus service at AKL. I'm sure on some days AKL is full, which would make for long waits to and from the parks. Does Disney do anything about this on Extremely busy days, Holidays etc.?

Actually, AK Lodge typically gets great reviews for the buses. The demand is typically a lot less for AK Lodge than for the other larger resort areas. Intervals can be adjusted for busy times, though.

 

[thedisneyfan]

Thanks Invero and everyone else for the additional info. I still believe that monorail expansion is the way to go for WDW's future. AK to MGM to EPCOT station would do wonders for traffic and for Disney. You could add stops to AKL, Y&BC, Boardwalk and then a stop at EPCOT where you could transfer to the EPCOT TTC line. This cost is not so large once you think of the benefits along with the chip ins from the resorts. Plus it allows for a reduction in the number of buses needed, allows for a reduction of the continued increase of traffic on WDW roads which will become more and more congested as population expands and Disney adds more resorts like Pop Century into the traffic mix. The resort stops could charge an additional $5 per room and the Villas at BW and BC could up the maintenance fees by $ 0.10/point. This would provide revenue to help pay for the project, increase guest satisfaction, encourage more guests to stay on property, increase attendance at Animal Kingdom, and provide a vast number of other benefits that I can't think of right this moment. I say yes to expansion of the monorail and yes to Disney's improved future! Vision people we need more vision!

 

[Invero]

Originally posted by thedisneyfan
AK to MGM to EPCOT station would do wonders for traffic and for Disney. You could add stops to AKL, Y&BC, Boardwalk and then a stop at EPCOT where you could transfer to the EPCOT TTC line. This cost is not so large once you think of the benefits along with the chip ins from the resorts.

The costs would be WAAAAAY more than you think. You can't just plop down a bunch of pylons, and drop in a station somewhere. The resorts you mention do not have the real estate required for a Monorail Station, never mind the pylons. As for the wonders, it really wouldn't do a whole lot.

 

[thedisneyfan]

Originally posted by Invero
The costs would be WAAAAAY more than you think. You can't just plop down a bunch of pylons, and drop in a station somewhere. The resorts you mention do not have the real estate required for a Monorail Station, never mind the pylons. As for the wonders, it really wouldn't do a whole lot.

I bet someone said the same thing about Las Vegas. Where there's a will there's a way. The Walt Disney way that is!

 

[Invero]

Originally posted by thedisneyfan
I bet someone said the same thing about Las Vegas. Where there's a will there's a way. The Walt Disney way that is!

That system is *VERY* different from Disney. The only commonality is that they use the same specifications. Thier traffic flow, logistics, and cash flow are all VERY VERY different than Disney.

 

[thedisneyfan]

Originally posted by Invero
That system is *VERY* different from Disney. The only commonality is that they use the same specifications. Thier traffic flow, logistics, and cash flow are all VERY VERY different than Disney.

What you forgot to mention that was different was the fact that their project is costing a lot more than the Disney project would because they had to perform a lot of demolition work with a lot of major work with sewer, electric, gas, and other lines as they weave this monorail around the streets and resorts of Las Vegas.

 

[Invero]

Originally posted by thedisneyfan
What you forgot to mention that was different was the fact that their project is costing a lot more than the Disney project would because they had to perform a lot of demolition work with a lot of major work with sewer, electric, gas, and other lines as they weave this monorail around the streets and resorts of Las Vegas.

What? You don't think Disney would have to do that? Think again. You try putting in a monorail line and station through the Epcot Resorts area without touching anything.

 

[thedisneyfan]

At the resorts, to a certain degree yes, but throughout WDW, then NO!

 

[thedisneyfan]

Listen, I know you, Invero, have experience, but I think that you shouldn't be completely closed to the idea and future needs of monorail expansion. I'm not even saying that expansion has to connect everywhere and should all be done in the next two years. What I am saying is that they should start to think and start about expansion of the monorail system to meet the increased future needs and enjoyment at WDW.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Originally posted by Invero
The costs would be WAAAAAY more than you think. You can't just plop down a bunch of pylons, and drop in a station somewhere. The resorts you mention do not have the real estate required for a Monorail Station, never mind the pylons. As for the wonders, it really wouldn't do a whole lot.

Ty- You said somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 Billion dollars, right? Thats a lot of doughnuts.

 

[TURKEY]

Originally posted by thedisneyfan
Listen, I know you, Invero, have experience, but I think that you shouldn't be completely closed to the idea and future needs of monorail expansion. I'm not even saying that expansion has to connect everywhere and should all be done in the next two years. What I am saying is that they should start to think and start about expansion of the monorail system to meet the increased future needs and enjoyment at WDW.

If things keep going like they are, there might not be a need for all the resorts, etc. There might not be a WDW.

 

[Invero]

Originally posted by thedisneyfan
What I am saying is that they should start to think and start about expansion of the monorail system to meet the increased future needs and enjoyment at WDW.

I'm not saying I'm anti-monorail. I would LOVE for it to happen... but I know it won't, and that's for the best. All I'm saying is that expanding the monorails will NOT meet the increased future needs and enjoyment at WDW. Monorails are not flexible. They cannot shrink and grow with demand or be re-routed without MAJOR construction. Throw in transfers, and extra time to get to locations, and that tosses out any enjoyment a monorail might produce.

 

[Invero]

Originally posted by PhotoDave219
Ty- You said somewhere in the neighborhood of 1 Billion dollars, right? Thats a lot of doughnuts.

$90-100 million per mile
$25m per train (and you'd probably need at least 5, if not more, depending on size of system)
Plus, you'd need an additional Shop, tons of switches, and a bunch of stations. They don't come cheap, either.

 

[TURKEY]

Originally posted by Invero
I'm not saying I'm anti-monorail. I would LOVE for it to happen... but I know it won't, and that's for the best. All I'm saying is that expanding the monorails will NOT meet the increased future needs and enjoyment at WDW. Monorails are not flexible. They cannot shrink and grow with demand or be re-routed without MAJOR construction. Throw in transfers, and extra time to get to locations, and that tosses out any enjoyment a monorail might produce.

Can't you see it now? Honey, I Shrunk the Monorail :lol:

 

[thedisneyfan]

Originally posted by Invero
$90-100 million per mile
$25m per train (and you'd probably need at least 5, if not more, depending on size of system)
Plus, you'd need an additional Shop, tons of switches, and a bunch of stations. They don't come cheap, either.

Again, but sorry your figures just don't jive. Vegas is getting 9, that's right 9 new trains, 5, that's right, 5 new stations, 4 miles of beam, switches, maintenance facilities, and all the rest for $650 million, and they had a lot more structural problems then Disney would face?!? Your numbers just don't jive.

 

[thedisneyfan]

Originally posted by Invero
All I'm saying is that expanding the monorails will NOT meet the increased future needs and enjoyment at WDW. Monorails are not flexible. They cannot shrink and grow with demand or be re-routed without MAJOR construction.

Then please explain why so many cities, including Las Vegas, are building new or expanding their monorail and subway systems? I guess they must just be dreamers too, and these mass transit systems don't serve any useful purpose what so ever.