MK Main Gates getting new look! (Photo)

unkadug

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
alissafalco said:
Does anyone know if they replaced the lightbulbs in the sign yet??? When I was there from Sept 15-23 the entire week we passed by the letters a & g from the Magic Kingdom sign were not lit up. It looked very bad at night when entering the park. I figure since they are painting I hope they fixed the lighting also. Sorry no pics, we were going to fast in the monorail.
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Proof positive that the Magic is burned out! :p

It's now the M_ _ic Kingdom
 
janoimagine

janoimagine

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I will say that I was glad to see Hollywood Studios making the switch to LED. The up lights on the trees up and down Sunset have been switched over. Last year about every other one was burned out.

Now if they could just get the spots back and the lights on top of the Chineese Theater .......
 
TP2000

TP2000

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Goofyernmost said:
Yup...and a lot fewer lights back then too! Perspective is key here!
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With a lot fewer CM's working there, being led by a lot fewer executives, who didn't have a big fancy Team Disney office building to hide in back then.

I imagine that when major light fixtures in the Team Disney Orlando office building burn out, they are replaced very quickly. Who cares about the amusement parks out beyond the TDO parking lot where all those tourists are, anyway?
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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unkadug said:
And a lot more people entering paying a LOT more money also. Perspective is EVERYTHING.
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A lot more people paying a lot more money does not prevent light bulbs from burning out. However, a lot more light bulbs increases the odds of some being out at unfortunate times and being harder to keep up with. That's the perspective I'm talking about.
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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TP2000 said:
With a lot fewer CM's working there, being led by a lot fewer executives, who didn't have a big fancy Team Disney office building to hide in back then.

I imagine that when major light fixtures in the Team Disney Orlando office building burn out, they are replaced very quickly. Who cares about the amusement parks out beyond the TDO parking lot where all those tourists are, anyway?
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And you may be imagining that correctly, but you don't know that for sure. I know I don't. Maintenance, all maintenance is handled on a priority basis. Decorative light bulbs although important are not on the very top of a priority list, rides and public safety are near the top (or should be). Light bulbs cannot be changed during park hours without destroying the ambiance in a far more serious manner then letting them be out until they can be changed. Inside an office doesn't have to worry about that.

Whenever I hear someone talking about a light bulb out, the first thing that comes to my mind is, how do they know it didn't go out just before they noticed it. Superman wouldn't have had time to fix it during that interval, so why do they assume that it just isn't going to be fixed. Do they mark the spot and return a few days later to see if it is still out? Because that is the only way that the argument becomes legitimate.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Goofyernmost said:
And you may be imagining that correctly, but you don't know that for sure. I know I don't. Maintenance, all maintenance is handled on a priority basis. Decorative light bulbs although important are not on the very top of a priority list, rides and public safety are near the top (or should be). Light bulbs cannot be changed during park hours without destroying the ambiance in a far more serious manner then letting them be out until they can be changed. Inside an office doesn't have to worry about that.

Whenever I hear someone talking about a light bulb out, the first thing that comes to my mind is, how do they know it didn't go out just before they noticed it. Superman wouldn't have had time to fix it during that interval, so why do they assume that it just isn't going to be fixed. Do they mark the spot and return a few days later to see if it is still out? Because that is the only way that the argument becomes legitimate .
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Quit being such a Disney apologist...We are talking about the entry sign. Look at Alissa's post, the sign had bulbs out for the entire 9 day visit. So by your own reasoning this complaint becomes legitimate!!!
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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Goofyernmost said:
And you may be imagining that correctly, but you don't know that for sure. I know I don't. Maintenance, all maintenance is handled on a priority basis. Decorative light bulbs although important are not on the very top of a priority list, rides and public safety are near the top (or should be). Light bulbs cannot be changed during park hours without destroying the ambiance in a far more serious manner then letting them be out until they can be changed. Inside an office doesn't have to worry about that.

Whenever I hear someone talking about a light bulb out, the first thing that comes to my mind is, how do they know it didn't go out just before they noticed it. Superman wouldn't have had time to fix it during that interval, so why do they assume that it just isn't going to be fixed. Do they mark the spot and return a few days later to see if it is still out? Because that is the only way that the argument becomes legitimate.
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Supposedly, the light bulbs in the park used to be replaced on a schedule so they would be replaced before they had a chance to go bad.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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The problem with burnt out light bulbs is that unlike WDW of the past, they don't just stay burned out for a day or even a week. A massive quantity that have burned out on the Grand Floridian resort for instance have remained that way for YEARS without being replaced. And over those years it has gotten worse and worse. There isn't any excuse for that besides cheapness. And seeing well over one third of the entirety of a deluxe resort in darkness, something you have plenty of time to see if you're riding either the monorail or ferry, is very ugly and bad show. A perfect example of stinginess. I would at least somewhat understand if there were only a couple of minor lights burned out and they were fixed within a day or so. That would at least confirm that they TRY to maintain them. Not so sadly, there are tons of broken lights resort-wide and they remain broken for months or years.

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Supposedly, the light bulbs in the park used to be replaced on a schedule so they would be replaced before they had a chance to go bad.
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You are correct. Lee confirmed this a while back, specifically that maintenance crews were ordered to replace any lights that reached 80% of their manufacturer estimated lifespan, BEFORE they burned out. And it was apparently something the company used to take extreme pride in doing. Steve (the admin here) confirmed in another topic last year that any broken lightbulbs on property would be checked and replaced overnight on the day they went out. He says this practice stopped at some point during the 90's.
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/tdo-light-maintenance-becoming-a-joke.829757/
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/broken-light-bulb-watch.756773/
 
Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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danlb_2000 said:
Supposedly, the light bulbs in the park used to be replaced on a schedule so they would be replaced before they had a chance to go bad.
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Again...the difference in numbers make all the difference in the world. Change 100,000 ahead of time or change 1,000,000 ahead of time. You know, every once in a while, we must use common sense concerning blatant wastefulness for the minor entertainment of a few that apparently are not able to concentrate on anything except what might be wrong.

The problem with light bulbs is that they cannot read themselves and know how long they are supposed to last. They last until the filament burns out. There is no timer on them. It is totally irresponsible to throw away working equipment in an effort to second guess it's lifespan. Also when the numbers increase it becomes less and less possible to stay ahead of it and also becomes fiscally irresponsible as well. For all we know they may still have that plan...but you know how plans go sometimes. Anyway, I'm done wasting time worrying about something as insignificant as a burnt out light bulb unless it remains unfixed over an extended period of time.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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flynnibus said:
Which they do... which is why it still comes up! You question it, but its legit.
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This. The Grand Floridian has an absolutely massive quantity of lights that have burned out. Even in the strands of the hundreds (if not thousands) of lights there, there are currently so many that have burned out that it's blatantly obvious and ugly/tacky. The lights have remained burned out for years now, nothing has been done to try and replace the light bulbs. There really aren't any excuses here besides cheapness.

I'd even be satisfied with replacing lights with LED fixtures. I believe the popcorn lights on the Teacups are all LED's now for an example, they look very good and LED lighting seems to have reached the point where they're a pretty darn decent substitute for incandescent light in many cases at least (they seem to work well for popcorn lighting anyways). That would at least make it more difficult for bulbs to burn out as often as they do. But I certainly don't expect this to happen any time soon in regards to GF. If they can't even put the effort into replacing regular lights, I hardly expect them to foot the bill to replace the fixtures with LED lights. Though from what I gather, there are now actually several LED lights that have somehow burned out already on the Teacups, even though the installation of new light fixtures were installed only recently.

Kevin Yee wrote an article for MiceAge not long ago mentioning the lighting issues. His pictures actually only show a tiny part of the issue, but here's the article-
http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky012412a.htm

It's quite well written and does indeed mention the "80%" comment Lee made in the other topic. It also shows that despite being reported by both guests and cast members to higher management, these lights remain burned out. Though he doesn't mention that these issues can and have lasted for years without replacements.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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MerlinTheGoat said:
This. The Grand Floridian has an absolutely massive quantity of lights that have burned out. Even in the strands of the hundreds (if not thousands) of lights there, there are currently so many that have burned out that it's blatantly obvious and ugly/tacky. The lights have remained burned out for years now, nothing has been done to try and replace the light bulbs. There really aren't any excuses here besides cheapness.

I'd even be satisfied with replacing lights with LED fixtures. I believe the popcorn lights on the Teacups are all LED's now for an example, they look very good and LED lighting seems to have reached the point where they're a pretty darn decent substitute for incandescent light in many cases at least (they seem to work well for popcorn lighting anyways). That would at least make it more difficult for bulbs to burn out as often as they do. But I certainly don't expect this to happen any time soon in regards to GF. If they can't even put the effort into replacing regular lights, I hardly expect them to foot the bill to replace the fixtures with LED lights. Though from what I gather, there are now actually several LED lights that have somehow burned out already on the Teacups, even though the installation of new light fixtures were installed only recently.

Kevin Yee wrote an article for MiceAge not long ago mentioning the lighting issues. His pictures actually only show a tiny part of the issue, but here's the article-
http://miceage.micechat.com/kevinyee/ky012412a.htm

It's quite well written and does indeed mention the "80%" comment Lee made in the other topic. It also shows that despite being reported by both guests and cast members to higher management, these lights remain burned out. Though he doesn't mention that these issues can and have lasted for years without replacements.
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Since you brought up the Grand Floridian I though I would repost these pictures from another thread on this topic.

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marni1971

marni1971

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Premium Member
Goofyernmost said:
A lot more people paying a lot more money does not prevent light bulbs from burning out. However, a lot more light bulbs increases the odds of some being out at unfortunate times and being harder to keep up with. That's the perspective I'm talking about.
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Grand Floridian for example?

MK bulb team being axed?

Two YEARS to replace a neon strip outside Innoventions?
 

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