Mine Ride Construction Update

JungleTrekFan

JungleTrekFan

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djkidkaz said:
Where? I don't see it anywhere on the HUB.
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To my knowledge there was a sign up sheet in the BOG break room, and it is only for attractions cast members. Idk if it still up though.

danlb_2000 said:
Yeah, I agree there would be a lot of testing, but you would do a lot of that with water dummies, you aren't going to risk real people until you are sure it's safe. I also don't see them starting at the end of July, there are just to many places where they are going work that obstructs the track.
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Yes and no, it wouldn’t be too hard to coordinate testing when the construction crew goes home in the afternoon or early morning. Just have to make sure the track is clear of debris, tools would all be put away, nothing else should be laying on the track or close to where the car could reach. And I’m sure they would do dummy testing before human testing. Though they could have already tested the cars somewhere else to work out the swinging motion and just have to do some slight calibrations for this track.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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JungleTrekFan said:
To my knowledge there was a sign up sheet in the BOG break room, and it is only for attractions cast members. Idk if it still up though.


Yes and no, it wouldn’t be too hard to coordinate testing when the construction crew goes home in the afternoon or early morning. Just have to make sure the track is clear of debris, tools would all be put away, nothing else should be laying on the track or close to where the car could reach. And I’m sure they would do dummy testing before human testing. Though they could have already tested the cars somewhere else to work out the swinging motion and just have to do some slight calibrations for this track.
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But right now there is scaffolding and temporary steps spanning the tracks in the couple places, these are not as easy to remove and put back each day.
 
JungleTrekFan

JungleTrekFan

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danlb_2000 said:
But right now there is scaffolding and temporary steps spanning the tracks in the couple places, these are not as easy to remove and put back each day.
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But those areas that do have scaffolding are finishing up and should definitely be done by the time they start testing the end of the month.
 
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Belowthesurface

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JungleTrekFan said:
Yes and no, it wouldn’t be too hard to coordinate testing when the construction crew goes home in the afternoon or early morning. Just have to make sure the track is clear of debris, tools would all be put away, nothing else should be laying on the track or close to where the car could reach. And I’m sure they would do dummy testing before human testing. Though they could have already tested the cars somewhere else to work out the swinging motion and just have to do some slight calibrations for this track.
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Cast Members could be walked through the attraction or kept around to test whatever it is that needs to be tested at that moment. Test and Adjust is not as exciting as most of you would think. It can involve hours of nothing.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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danlb_2000 said:
Yeah, I agree there would be a lot of testing, but you would do a lot of that with water dummies, you aren't going to risk real people until you are sure it's safe. I also don't see them starting at the end of July, there are just to many places where they are going work that obstructs the track.
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All water containers do is simulate the weight of a fully, or much less (or more) than fully loaded, ride vehicle based on the average guest weight. Because they use water, they can simulate different weight spacings/average weight on different runs and see how it alters the speed of the ride. (More "what happens when the ride has heavy guests in back, and light weight guests, or no guests, in front), it isn't "let's put some water dummies on the ride and see if they survive!"

The fine tuning of ride will need more and water dummies, and will be a lot more precise. Though there would be minimal safety risk to the live human testing, the idea is that some rides, e.g. Indy, have needed to be toned down a bit before they're ready for primetime. There is a difference between getting whiplash, and feeling as though you have gotten whiplash as well as just being uncomfortable. Safe doesn't necessary mean comfortable and no risk of minor injuries during daily operation. You need feedback, and you can't get that from a water dummy.
 
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Pixiedustmaker

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JungleTrekFan said:
But those areas that do have scaffolding are finishing up and should definitely be done by the time they start testing the end of the month.
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Even so, I doubt they'd run castmembers through on the track if there is any construction going on in the vicinity. A hammer could fly down and hit somebody, an extension cord could fall in front of the track . . . makes no sense to people on the track, or even water dummies, when construction is not 100% complete, IMHO.
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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Pixiedustmaker said:
All water containers do is simulate the weight of a fully, or much less (or more) than fully loaded, ride vehicle based on the average guest weight. Because they use water, they can simulate different weight spacings/average weight on different runs and see how it alters the speed of the ride. (More "what happens when the ride has heavy guests in back, and light weight guests, or no guests, in front), it isn't "let's put some water dummies on the ride and see if they survive!"

The fine tuning of ride will need more and water dummies, and will be a lot more precise. Though there would be minimal safety risk to the live human testing, the idea is that some rides, e.g. Indy, have needed to be toned down a bit before they're ready for primetime. There is a difference between getting whiplash, and feeling as though you have gotten whiplash as well as just being uncomfortable. Safe doesn't necessary mean comfortable and no risk of minor injuries during daily operation. You need feedback, and you can't get that from a water dummy.
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I agree that you eventually need human feedback, but I think the initial part of the testing would be done with water dummies. Either way I don't see them being ready for human riders by the end of the month.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Belowthesurface said:
Cast Members could be walked through the attraction or kept around to test whatever it is that needs to be tested at that moment. Test and Adjust is not as exciting as most of you would think. It can involve hours of nothing.
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Like being an extra in a movie...."Hurry Up and Wait"
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Pixiedustmaker said:
Even so, I doubt they'd run castmembers through on the track if there is any construction going on in the vicinity. A hammer could fly down and hit somebody, an extension cord could fall in front of the track . . . makes no sense to people on the track, or even water dummies, when construction is not 100% complete, IMHO.
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The first few runs will be done with feelers around the vehicles to make sure that nothing comes close enough to the vehicles that anybody could hit/touch. It will be a while before any live human will be on a moving vehicle.
 
JungleTrekFan

JungleTrekFan

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Belowthesurface said:
Cast Members could be walked through the attraction or kept around to test whatever it is that needs to be tested at that moment. Test and Adjust is not as exciting as most of you would think. It can involve hours of nothing.
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Very true, testing could be anything from making sure that each loading bay visual queue is functional, or a train can move from the barn to the track in a timely fashion, or the interactive queue is entertaining (once they start/finish building the queue of course. You know things that attraction hosts are experts in and can give great feedback on.

Pixiedustmaker said:
Even so, I doubt they'd run castmembers through on the track if there is any construction going on in the vicinity. A hammer could fly down and hit somebody, an extension cord could fall in front of the track . . . makes no sense to people on the track, or even water dummies, when construction is not 100% complete, IMHO.
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Once the areas directly surrounding the track are clear, and they can consolidate the construction area, there is no reason to wait. As of right now the main piece left is the queue area which won't directly affect the ride and can be safely built while minor tests are going on. I agree full test runs would not occur while the construction crew is working on the area, but once they consolidate the work area to primarily the queue in a couple months, they could coordinate test runs safely while a section of the attraction is still being worked on.
 
unkadug

unkadug

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Found this photo of EE vehicle testing. Notice the feelers on the side of the vehicle? Also notice that work on the mountain has not been completed either.


But no people are on the vehicle. There is an order in which things must be tested.

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Nemo14

Nemo14

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unkadug said:
Found this photo of EE vehicle testing. Notice the feelers on the side of the vehicle? Also notice that work on the mountain has not been completed either.


But no people are on the vehicle. There is an order in which things must be tested.
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Great find!
 
danlb_2000

danlb_2000

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unkadug said:
Found this photo of EE vehicle testing. Notice the feelers on the side of the vehicle? Also notice that work on the mountain has not been completed either.


But no people are on the vehicle. There is an order in which things must be tested.

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For this testing to be of value everything near the track needs to be installed which we don't appear to be any where near that point on the mine ride. Everest wasn't complete in the picture but all the rockwork is in place they just need to remove the scaffolding.
 
Tom

Tom

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unkadug said:
Found this photo of EE vehicle testing. Notice the feelers on the side of the vehicle? Also notice that work on the mountain has not been completed either.


But no people are on the vehicle. There is an order in which things must be tested.

eevehicletesting_zps143ce721.jpg
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Wow! That's an awesome pic, which I've never seen before.

And I agree with the sentiments here that there's no way they're going to be running humans through that thing anytime soon. And if for some reason they do, the waiver is going to be 10 pages long.

We'll know if testing with humans is coming when we start hearing that they're running these "feeler" cars through, and then water dummies.
 

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