LittleBuford
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As has already been acknowledged and accounted for.Except it's not unusual for "sold out" nights to cough up additional "tickets"...
As has already been acknowledged and accounted for.Except it's not unusual for "sold out" nights to cough up additional "tickets"...
It's no more "sneaky" or "untoward" than Disney's standard marketing practices.This makes no sense. The parties are capped well below the park’s maximum capacity. Everybody knows that; indeed, it’s a major selling point.
You seem to be implying that something sneaky or untoward is happening, but it’s not at all clear to me what you’re actually accusing Disney of.
That's been rarer and rarer. Coming out of COVID, Disney kept opening up limited tickets as they were able to nail down enough employees to operate ops.Except it's not unusual for "sold out" nights to cough up additional "tickets"...
What sneaky or untoward standard marketing practices are they engaging in?It's no more "sneaky" or "untoward" than Disney's standard marketing practices.
Tip income? Resort concierge CMs are forbidden, as all (non server/bartender) are, from accepting tips... The number of times I had to literally back away, spin around, and hold out my hands to show that I didn't take a guests' money the offered after I performed their requested service, was too damn many. Disney is very specific that we could not take any form of tip. (Except cast complements, but I collected those mostly without having to ask... Some of my colleagues were a bit more blatant.) If I took $20 from an old lady for fixing her trip-long magic band issue (something I had to refuse more than once), I would have been fired, despite that being more than an hour's wage for 5 minutes of work.Even better yet, your resort concierges can double their tip income by MAGICALLY providing Deluxe hotel guests $200 party tickets to go along with their $400 Minnie Van rides to and from the airport...
What sneaky or untoward standard marketing practices are they engaging in?
The Bell Services CMs who accept my cash when they transfer my luggage or bring it up to my room are breaking the rules?Tip income? Resort concierge CMs are forbidden, as all CMs are, from accepting tips... The number of times I had to literally back away, spin around, and hold out my hands to show that I didn't take a guests' money the offered after I performed their requested service, was too damn many. Disney is very specific that we could not take any form of tip. (Except cast complements, but I collected those mostly without having to ask... Some of my colleagues were a bit more blatant.) If I took $20 from an old lady for fixing her trip-long magic band issue (something I had to refuse more than once), I would have been fired, despite that being more than an hour's wage for 5 minutes of work.
Non-cash gifts, from cake to expensive bags to pins, were all well and good though. Would have preferred the cash, but that pin holds a special place in my collection for a reason.
No. In 2019 they briefly experimented with a slightly higher cap and then it was temporarily lowered following Covid. The current cap that has been used for the past several years is more than double what it was 10+ years ago and only a small percentage (singly digit) lower than the highest cap they have ever used for parties.No they significantly cut back after 2019.
Bell services has, depending on which resort, bee outsourced for years. It was at my resort, so that didn't apply since they weren't actually CMs.The Bell Services CMs who accept my cash when they transfer my luggage or bring it up to my room are breaking the rules?
That’s not true.as all CMs are,
Do you see any crowds in any of those commercials? Any hint of the complexity of having to buy dated tickets, make park reservations, ordering your food over an app, making reservations to see characters or ride rides, or having to pay extra to avoid hours in line...?They look like standard run-of-the-mill commercials to me.
What is sneaky or untoward about them?
I was ready to swear off the Holiday Parties in 2019 because of how crowded they were.No. In 2019 they briefly experimented with a slightly higher cap and then it was temporarily lowered following Covid. The current cap that has been used for the past several years is more than double what it was 10+ years ago and only a small percentage (singly digit) lower than the highest cap they have ever used for parties.
You may be missing the point of marketing and advertising.Do you see any crowds in any of those commercials? Any hint of the complexity of having to buy dated tickets, make park reservations, ordering your food over an app, making reservations to see characters or ride rides, or having to pay extra to avoid hours in line...?
I know what you mean. I'm disappointed that stores' Black Friday ads don't show people trampled underfoot.Do you see any crowds in any of those commercials? Any hint of the complexity of having to buy dated tickets, make park reservations, ordering your food over an app, making reservations to see characters or ride rides, or having to pay extra to avoid hours in line...?
Do you see any crowds in any of those commercials? Any hint of the complexity of having to buy dated tickets, make park reservations, ordering your food over an app, making reservations to see characters or ride rides, or having to pay extra to avoid hours in line...?
I know what advertising is about -- it's about creating a need for a product. Disney commercials are good at that, plucking at heartstrings and concepts about family togetherness and memories -- and they're good at glossing over what an otherwise clueless family will have to experience (or spend) to get the kind of vacation their ads project, if not actually promise.You may be missing the point of marketing and advertising.
None of the things that you mention are hidden. They're all on MDE as well as on multiple sites that deal with Disney planning. The official and unofficial guides explaining how to avoid crowds and navigate the complexities of WDW were around when I started visiting in 1984.
It's never been a secret that Disney is the kind of vacation that requires significant planning.
Commercials are designed to get people into the parks, not warn them off.
I still don't know why you consider them sneaky or untoward. They're doing what commercials are supposed to do and, as you pointed out, they are good at it.I know what advertising is about -- it's about creating a need for a product. Disney commercials are good at that, plucking at heartstrings and concepts about family togetherness and memories -- and they're good at glossing over what an otherwise clueless family will have to experience (or spend) to get the kind of vacation their ads project, if not actually promise.
Despite the ubiquitous information people CAN research, evidence abounds of people who don't take advantage of it.
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