Miceage Update 12/1/2015

[Suspirian]

I know this has been brought up before in the form of Cars Land and other things, but I don't understand the potential decision of putting a Marvel section in replacement of Hollywoodland in a California-themed park. It just seems like they're not even trying to put attractions in that fit with the theme, it's just becoming a catch-all studios mess. But it's not like they can't; Buena Vista Street is one of the best products the Imagineers have put out in years, certainly the best in DCA in my opinion.

The article seemed to insinuate that the Marvel area would keep the old hollywood theme with the rest off hollywoodland. If that's true, I honestly wouldn't mind the change aside from the TOT redo. There are other IPs that would fit the land much better though.

 

[dweezil78]

I guess my underlying problem is that they don't have to cram in every single successful IP, and yet they do anyway. They don't have to force Frozen and Star Wars into Disneyland, or Marvel into DCA, and yet they are. Disney has proved their ability to create immersive, original experiences, most recently BVS, that people enjoy and love. I'm just having a difficult time watching them forgo originality and imagination to shove in whatever's selling the most toys.

I'm really not totally clear on the hate towards building attractions based on existing properties people LOVE and dream about experiencing first hand. I absolutely understand when it comes to doing it in the wrong place (ala Frozen in Norway), but if done correctly (as correctly as Disney can get it given the very limited space in Anaheim) I really don't get why people spaz out on it.

Likewise, I don't quite understand why people get hung up on Star Wars and Marvel (and Pixar for that matter) as being acquisitions and therefore not true 100% Disney. Every movie and other piece of entertainment put out under these studios is comprised of thousands of people -- many of whom jump from studio to studio to wherever the money is. Hollywood is so incestuous that way. I'm sure a ton of people who work across all of these properties have worked on straight up Disney films too. The only difference is the paperwork behind the scenes.

 

[SpaceMountain75]

The article seemed to insinuate that the Marvel area would keep the old hollywood theme with the rest off hollywoodland. If that's true, I honestly wouldn't mind the change aside from the TOT redo. There are other IPs that would fit the land much better though.

I just read the whole article past @Virtual Insanity's appreciated cliff notes and saw that bit of information as well. It's good that they're at least keeping the Hollywood theme, but every Marvel film other than the WWII-era Captain America is present day, which is a little confusing.

 

[yeti]

One part of me wants DCA's footprint expanded, but it doesn't have the same overcrowding in general areas that DL does.

So I guess I'd rather they fix Hollywoodland first.

This would officially mark the end of the DCA redo, everything would have been redone in some way.... Apart from the eventual flattening of Bugs Land.

I personally don't consider their job on Paradise Pier finished. The boardwalk, carousel, jumpin' jellyfish still harken back to the DCA of old.

Putting Marvel in the northern area of Hollywood is a smart move, and something I was hoping they would do. While it leaves Guardians of the Tower somewhat isolated, it opens some extra leg room for Cars Land (a Cars Autopia would be great if they wanted to expand Fantasyland eastward). I don't know if they were once going to demolish Flik's Fun Fair, but feeling that every theme park could use a small cluster of B-rides, I'm pretty happy with the way things are headed. I'm just happy the coaster is back on track (ba-dum-ching).

Paradise Garden Grill was one of my favorites.

 

[Curious Constance]

I'm really not totally clear on the hate towards building attractions based on existing properties people LOVE and dream about experiencing first hand. I absolutely understand when it comes to doing it in the wrong place (ala Frozen in Norway), but if done correctly (as correctly as Disney can get it given the very limited space in Anaheim) I really don't get why people spaz out on it.

Likewise, I don't quite understand why people get hung up on Star Wars and Marvel (and Pixar for that matter) as being acquisitions and therefore not true 100% Disney. Every movie and other piece of entertainment put out under these studios is comprised of thousands of people -- many of whom jump from studio to studio to wherever the money is. Hollywood is so incestuous that way. I'm sure a ton of people who work across all of these properties have worked on straight up Disney films too. The only difference is the paperwork behind the scenes.

To add to this, why can't something be based on an IP but still be very original and unique? From what I've seen of Star Wars land, it's not a direct copy of anything from a movie (like Carsland) which will make it very creative, original, and unique, no?

 

[SpaceMountain75]

I'm really not totally clear on the hate towards building attractions based on existing properties people LOVE and dream about experiencing first hand. I absolutely understand when it comes to doing it in the wrong place (ala Frozen in Norway), but if done correctly (as correctly as Disney can get it given the very limited space in Anaheim) I really don't get why people spaz out on it.

Likewise, I don't quite understand why people get hung up on Star Wars and Marvel (and Pixar for that matter) as being acquisitions and therefore not true 100% Disney. Every movie and other piece of entertainment put out under these studios is comprised of thousands of people -- many of whom jump from studio to studio to wherever the money is. Hollywood is so incestuous that way. I'm sure a ton of people who work across all of these properties have worked on straight up Disney films too. The only difference is the paperwork behind the scenes.

From what's been reported on the Fantasyland expansion, I have less of a problem with a Frozen attraction being put in, because it's under the Fantasyland blanket and not its own land. My main issue with Star Wars and Marvel is that they're replacing things designed to fit the theme of their surroundings (Rivers of America - Frontierland; Tower of Terror - 1930s Hollywood) solely because they're popular right now. If the respective areas had been intended to have those properties, I'd be great with that, or if Disney built a park called IP Land where they would fit.

 

[Californian Elitist]

From what's been reported on the Fantasyland expansion, I have less of a problem with a Frozen attraction being put in, because it's under the Fantasyland blanket and not its own lans. My main issue with Star Wars and Marvel is that they're replacing things designed to fit the theme of their surroundings (Rivers of America - Frontierland; Tower of Terror - 1930s Hollywood) solely because they're popular right now. If the respective areas had been intended to have those properties, I'd be great with that, or if Disney built a park called IP Land where they would fit.

Not only that, but single IP lands take a lot away from creativity and none of the Walt-era lands were based on one single film.

 

[TP2000]

I was just reading the comments on the Miceage article. Talk about some really passionate fans!

And yet I had to chuckle at the dozen people who said they already had, or are planning to, give up their Disneyland AP.

From the incredible record crowds the Miceage article spelled out, and from casual observations from anyone who has been to Disneyland in the last year, if more people gave up their AP's that would be a good thing. Although we'll need to get bigger numbers than just a few dozen fans on a message board. We need 300,000 to 500,000 of the 1 Million AP'ers to give up their pass this year. Then you'd see a dent in the huge crowds.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

I was just reading the comments on the Miceage article. Talk about some really passionate fans!

And yet I had to chuckle at the dozen people who said they already had, or are planning to, give up their Disneyland AP.

From the incredible record crowds the Miceage article spelled out, and from casual observations from anyone who has been to Disneyland in the last year, if more people gave up their AP's that would be a good thing. Although we'll need to get bigger numbers than just a few dozen fans on a message board. We need 300,000 to 500,000 of the 1 Million AP'ers to give up their pass this year. Then you'd see a dent in the huge crowds.

The attendance numbers confirm that TEA vastly underestimates DCA's attendance while overestimating the Florida parks. There's no way on God's green earth that DHS has higher attendance than DCA, or that MK has higher true numbers than TDL.

 

[Phroobar]

I was just reading the comments on the Miceage article. Talk about some really passionate fans!

And yet I had to chuckle at the dozen people who said they already had, or are planning to, give up their Disneyland AP.

From the incredible record crowds the Miceage article spelled out, and from casual observations from anyone who has been to Disneyland in the last year, if more people gave up their AP's that would be a good thing. Although we'll need to get bigger numbers than just a few dozen fans on a message board. We need 300,000 to 500,000 of the 1 Million AP'ers to give up their pass this year. Then you'd see a dent in the huge crowds.

On fridays in April and May all AP levels except Premium have been blocked at the parks. I did notice a smaller crowd in the walkways but the ride queues were still just as long. The place still had more people than I ever saw even ten years ago. It's pretty amazing that most of those people were on vacation or day trippers and paid very high prices to get in.

While on the other hand, USH was a ghost town at the same time with a new mega ride but without it's AP crowd.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

The rest of Marvel land is now slated to take over the rest of Hollywood land instead of the expansion pad behind Tower. Monster's Inc is likely a goner. The Marvel coaster is right now slated for 2020

This sounds far fetched.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I would have been okay with it replacing the entirety of Paradise Pier. Yuck!

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I wish this site had a "dislike" feature.

 

[Cesar R M]

wait a sec, muppet vision from DHS will be demolished?

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

wait a sec, muppet vision from DHS will be demolished?

This is the Disneyland forum. DCA's MuppetVision has already gone bye bye.

 

[Stevek]

wait a sec, muppet vision from DHS will be demolished?

Where did you read that? I've only heard about it shutting down at DCA.

 

[Stevek]

This sounds far fetched.

But the reasoning behind it kinda makes sense if what they are saying on MC is true. Disney has to spend to meet their agreement with Anaheim and if they can give some life to arguably the worst area of the park while saving the area behind TOT for something later...I'm all for it. But to your point, these rumors are very much that until we see ground being broken.

 

[Stevek]

I was just reading the comments on the Miceage article. Talk about some really passionate fans!

Passionate...at least you are being politically correct : )

 

[JediMasterMatt]

I just don't want them to use one of their last expansion pads.

You should. Getting DL and DCA filled will be the only way we will get progress on a 3rd gate. After SWL, Marvel, and Fantasyland you don't want the BoD to think they can attempt one last stab at crowd steering to DCA before they need to look south. The sooner that expansion pad is filled the better for real progress at DLR.

I'd hate for the next SWL planet to wind up in DCA when it should be down the street.

The attendance numbers confirm that TEA vastly underestimates DCA's attendance while overestimating the Florida parks. There's no way on God's green earth that DHS has higher attendance than DCA, or that MK has higher true numbers than TDL.

During my August/September trip last summer I was chatting with some friends about attendance manipulation. I have no doubt that DCA crushes all but MK and EPCOT and no doubt that DL is well up on MK. It's just that nobody in Burbank wants to share that. They must've picked up ENRON's accountants for all the fudging of numbers they are doing.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

You should. Getting DL and DCA filled will be the only way we will get progress on a 3rd gate. After SWL, Marvel, and Fantasyland you don't want the BoD to think they can attempt one last stab at crowd steering to DCA before they need to look south. The sooner that expansion pad is filled the better for real progress at DLR.

I'd hate for the next SWL planet to wind up in DCA when it should be down the street.



During my August/September trip last summer I was chatting with some friends about attendance manipulation. I have no doubt that DCA crushes all but MK and EPCOT and no doubt that DL is well up on MK. It's just that nobody in Burbank wants to share that. They must've picked up ENRON's accountants for all the fudging of numbers they are doing.

I don't understand why. Who cares which park is on top is you own all of them?