SJN1279
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It was an awesome movie and it is being very well received by critics and the general public. Even though a certain member on this board claims Disney is paying for the film's positive reviews.
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It was an awesome movie and it is being very well received by critics and the general public. Even though a certain member on this board claims Disney is paying for the film's positive reviews.
Recon443
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Thought i would share a MM- story here...seems a appropriate place.
Just had a co-worker friend return home from a honeymoon visit to WDW about two weeks ago...when all the Corporate folks were there.
She stayed off-property, but visited with her brother and friends who stayed on-property.
Her brother and friends used the Magicbands, she of course was not able to due to staying off-site.
I wanted to hear her opinion on MM-, as i knew she likely experienced some aspect of it or at least had the opportunity to see her brother and his friends using it.
Her first reaction when i asked about it?
Face contortions and a loud "Oh man, IT SUCKS!" was what she shouted out in response.
I pressed for details...wanted to know WHY she had these hostile feelings about this new 'service'.
It was interesting to hear her response.
The #1 reason she did not like it was it made her feel like a 'second class citizen'. A 'lesser Guest'.
A quote when she was venting :
"Before, when you were there ( at the Park ) you were a equal to everyone else. You got your FPs in the same way as everyone else...everyone had a fair shot.
Now with this, you have to reserve in advance. Who the **** knows what they are going to want to do or ride months before you visit..?
What the hell kind of vacation is THAT..?"
Yes, her irritation there is likely because she stayed off-property and felt a little 'left out' of a perceived advantage on-property Guests had.
That was her choice, but even if she stayed on-site she felt annoyed that she would have been 'forced' to reserve things she wanted to do well in advance.
The structure of that was a turn off to her.
As she stated, how is that a 'vacation' experience?
And this leads into her #2 reason for not being keen on MM- , the concept of having to reserve FP options in advance.
Although she did use the still present paper FPs, when this goes bye-bye next year there will be no alternative.
Her brother and friends, who stayed on-property, had the bands.
She noted how insanely long the FP lines were...which she thought was surprising since FP lanes are supposed to be 'faster'.
She also mentioned how she saw the Corporate folks many times during her visit...mostly standing around observing Guests using the bands in the FP+ lanes.
If i was her, i would have walked over and expressed my displeasure with the 'service'...or voice concerns....but hindsight is always 20/20.
Basically, every concern or issue that has been already discussed on this Forum was touched on with her response.
I could only smile, and then tell her she pretty much hit on everything Park fans have been miffed about in relation to this crazy concept.
I thought ya'all might enjoy hearing her tale.
She is now quite turned off about visiting in the future after this experience.
I told her to go to Disneyland instead.
I just came back from Orlando. Stayed in the Treehouse's and LOVED the bands!! FP lines were no different than normal and we were able to structure a day around the schedule in MM+. Smooth process, no hassles, touch the band and move along. Used it for rides, restaurants, and shopping. Very neat system.
And while it is apparent there are a number of folks who take delight in posting up a negative story, I take equal delight in posing up a positive story. Just out of curiosity, how did the guests that stayed on property perceive the bands?
I am sure Disney will set something up for off property guests in the future and that should be that for your friends complaints.
As for me: I live about 30 minutes from DLand and am hoping they get the MM+ system as well.
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Recon443
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't you also have to show your paper passes twice?
janoimagine
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Glad to hear Frozen is looking good ... an extended family member provided the VO for one of the leads.
Lucky
Well-Known Member
Same reason they look at your paper FP at the entrance and then when they take them at the merge with standby.
janoimagine
Well-Known Member
Yes, once to get by the greeter then they were collected at the second point ...
I would have thought with the new system this redundancy would have been eliminated.
englanddg
One Little Spark...
You would think so, but first...the paper FPs are still in use, so can't cut the labor yet.
Second, the "bouncer" would still be needed to "check" if you really have a FP or not, otherwise the line clogs with people who think it's just another line (don't read, don't understand, or don't know).
Third, the collection point being near the ride is required to prevent people from jumping into the FP line from standby. If you look, you'll see that they place these checkpoints either directly at the ride boarding entrance, or in places where the lines diverge (like at POTC).
englanddg
One Little Spark...
I'm going to see it in a hour. I'll let you know.
FrankLapidus
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Fun fact: Eisner is one of the the only Disney executive I have ever spied "shopping" the parks without an entourage. It was 1988, and he stopped by my restaurant, bought food, and asked tourist-level questions. I knew who he was immediately but didn't let on. He was there checking on the quality of the Show, the food, the Cast Members. He was my boss's boss's boss's boss's boss, but mostly I was thinking: good. Here's someone who cares to walk with the public. Walt did that all the time.
Another of the few execs I've seen do this: Jim Macphee. I was a Guest for that one, so I talked to him and took a photo
If that Michael Eisner had stuck around the company would be in a far better position than it is now from a creative standpoint. Given how it all ended for him its easy to forget how genuinely enthusiastic and passionate Eisner initially was for the Show, knowing that if it was as good as it possibly could be then financial success would take care of itself. He might not have always got it right back then but it was an incredibly exciting time to be a WDW visitor.
PeterAlt
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If you were being sarcastic, I apologize. You never know here with all the anti-Eisner bashing that's been going on over the years.
EPCOTCenterLover
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Yes, I do miss Eisner. His first decade was incredible.
WDWDad13
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Of course they are lol - I guess we could also start a rumor these doom and gloomers on here are being paid by uni too
Whether they paid for positive reviews or not...it's a great movie so there is no misleading here
G00fyDad
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But I thought that Eisner had another person in he upper ranks of Disney that was the "creative" mind behind the Eisner era. I thought that person came up with the ideas and Eisner just made it happen. That person (I cannot remember his name) died in a plane accident didn't he? If this is true then just bringing back Eisner wouldn't do a whole lot.
P.S. Don't get me wrong.... I'd prefer Eisner over Iger any day.
janoimagine
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Do you mean Frank Wells? Wells and Eisner were a great team.
Edit: If it was a plane accident ... yes, it was Frank Wells. Pick up a copy of Seven Summitt's ... he attempted all 7 of the highest peaks in the world in the same year, I believe he got 6 of the 7, the only one missing was Everest, because of a bad storm near the top of the mountain the day he was set to summit.
Thats also why his window on Main Street is called Seven Summitts.
Edit: If it was a plane accident ... yes, it was Frank Wells. Pick up a copy of Seven Summitt's ... he attempted all 7 of the highest peaks in the world in the same year, I believe he got 6 of the 7, the only one missing was Everest, because of a bad storm near the top of the mountain the day he was set to summit.
Thats also why his window on Main Street is called Seven Summitts.
FrankLapidus
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It was the other way around, Eisner was the creative mind and Frank Wells took care of the everyday business side of the company.
jdmdisney99
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Yep, I was going to mention that. Eisner was more of the creative, out of the box thinker, and Wells was the level headed guy who controlled Eisner and made his good ideas happen.
Figments Friend
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I am glad that the new system worked for you, and that is good to hear.
I shared the tale of my co-workers experience as i thought it would be of interest to those here who might be interested in some observations a friend made recently that aligns with come concerns that have been discussed on this Forum...not necessarily to 'take delight in posting a negative story'.
There are always 'two sides to every story'...always with positives and negatives.
Having different opinions on those perceived 'positives and negatives' is what makes discussions on this Forum engaging and interesting.
Regarding what her brother and his friends thought about the MagicBands...
I had asked my co-worker friend about their opinions.
They were generally rather confused about it in some respects, but did enjoy the ease of just 'touch n' go'.
They also expressed some mixed opinions on having to reserve in advance.
Folks are always going to have different opinions on matters, and what works well for some may not for others.
Once all the rough patches of this system are ironed out...who knows, it might actually be quite nice.
In my own personal opinion, i find the costs involved to be too steep....and i am not just talking about the budget allotted to this NextGen thing....
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Recon443
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I am glad that the new system worked for you, and that is good to hear.
I shared the tale of my co-workers experience as i thought it would be of interest to those here who are interested in some observations a friend made recently that aligns with come concerns that have been discussed on this Forum...not necessarily to 'take delight in posting a negative story'.
There are always 'two sides to every story'...always with positives and negatives.
Having different opinions on those perceived 'positives and negatives' is what makes discussions on this Forum engaging and interesting.
I had asked about my co-workers friends, and their thoughts on the bands.
They were generally rather confused about it in some respects, but enjoyed the ease of just 'touch n' go'.
They also expressed some mixed opinions on having the reserve in advance.
Folks are always going to have different opinions on matters, and what works well for some may not for others.
Once all the rough patches of this system are ironed out...who knows, it might actually be quite nice.
In my own personal opinion, i find the costs involved to be too steep....and i am not just talking about the budget allotted to this NextGen thing....
I found it very nice as I could have three big things, my FP selections, in the queue and ready to go while maintaining a sense of being able to do what I wanted in between. Nothing kills spontaneity like a 65 minute standby line.
We purchased military tickets, scanned them at home they showed up in our MM+ no problem. But they still needed to be converted to park tickets, a function of the newness of the system. We checked in at the ticket window converted the military passes with no glitches. The rest of the time was a breeze.
The FP selections were simple to make and easy to change. We changed our minds the day before and switched parks. No problem getting our same selections. I will offer that 'day of' attendance, once FP's were gone for a ride, you also could not get them on MM+.
I believe this system is indeed the future. Easy to imagine AP holders getting special bands with FP selections made like an appointment. For us in Cali that works great. Pop in to the park, jump on your ride, no matter how crowded, and head out.
StageFrenzy
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Oh Hai! Welcome to magic, we aren't all negative per say. That's nice you went at a slower time, it makes the parks much more bearable. The lack of new/good attractions outside of MK isn't as noticable for a infrequent visitor. It''s also nice that the FP lines were ordinary and normal, do you think that 2 billion dollars for normal fp lines and mobil speedpass was worth it? As a DL local do you really want MM+/-, unless you work in burbank or glendale... At the end of the day, if for the cost of MM+/- we could have had 6/7 attractions was it really worth it.?MK and especially the rest of the parks suffer from a capacity problem, there are not enough attractions to absorb the current amount of humanity that descend on the parks during peak times.
G00fyDad
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Yes. That was the name. Wells. Thank you.
I knew he had something to do with it. If Eisner was the creative one then definitely bring him back. But there still needs to be someone who would give the "go ahead" for the projects to get things turned around. The BoD are very greedy and they plan to retire one day with a fat bank account. They don't care how far down the crapper the company goes after they leave. If they can squeeze us for all our money right now and then abandon ship before it goes down then that's what they'll do. We need a new BoD.