ToTBellHop
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Is spinning around for 3 minutes really that much better than spinning around for 2 minutes?
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Is spinning around for 3 minutes really that much better than spinning around for 2 minutes?
OK, so why, if the same person is in charge of it all, is one allowed the proper budget and manpower to do it right, and the other isn't?!?! That makes absolutely NO business sense that I can think of. :shrug:
Todd H
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:roflol:
janoimagine
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Look at Disney from its founding through the 90s and you'll see that a good business can be run without sacrificing any amount of quality.
They like to market Christmas as being the best time to be in WDW. So if they can stretch it out...that's what they do. Greedy.
Interesting point on the decorating times.
Thanksgiving is totally skipped over now. They at least used to have a little parade with the pardoned turkeys.
WDW Vacationer
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[rant] I cannot help myself, I just simply have to completely disagree here. They are visiting an AMERICAN theme park in AMERICA. We do NOT have to follow their beliefs, or even allow for them except in certain situations (food comes to mind). I have no problem with being sensitive, but I am tired of people saying we have to kowtow to THEIR preferences, when they couldn't care less about ours in their country. If this were the case, why aren't we celebrating all of the other foreign holidays in WDW? [/rant]
Sorry, I don't want this to turn into a political or idealogical debate of any kind. I return you to the regular debate.
Pioneer Hall
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That actually wouldn't be a very good thing to look at. Walt himself took a million risks and brought the company to the brink on a number of occasions. If it wasn't for Roy to get him in line occasionally, I think we probably wouldn't be here talking about all this stuff today. Then in the early 80s, the company was at the point of near bankruptcy. It is the reason that Roy Jr started the coalition to remove Ron Miller and bring in Eisner and Wells. The parks may have been run differently, and possibly even better...but business certainly wasn't always a success.
Just wanted to point out that celebrating Epiphany is a common practice in America too folks. This is a "Christian" custom not one ascribed to a particular nation/culture. Given that this is clearly not the reason that Disney is extending the season, are you still outraged?
Tigger1988
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Epiphany is celebrated in AMERICA by many Christian AMERICANS.
I and most people I know leave our Christmas decorations up until Epiphany.
COProgressFan
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Everyone has personal opinions about both resorts.
However, you can quantitatively analyze the number of attraction and entertainment offerings at WDW vs DL and relate that to how much it costs to visit. There would be differing ways to calculate that, but it would be an objective finding. I know for certain that if you compare at day at DL vs a day at MK, you get far more entertainment and attractions for your dollar than in Florida.
RSoxNo1
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It is if you're a kid.
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I don't think Walt ever put the company in jeopardy, I think he had ideas that would have.
And the 80s was a result of building Tokyo and Epcot at once and putting out bad films. They took on too much and let film quality drop.
Pioneer Hall
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I am pretty sure Walt said at points that he "financed everything" in order to take on his next project. If that was the case and the next venture failed, Walt and his company would have been ruined. He was lucky (as most entrepreneurs are not) that his ideas consistently delivered after his initial Oswald fiasco.
You're other statement kind of solidifies my point. The company did things that didn't both deliver a quality product and provide financial health and stability. There films and developments (along with other decisions during that time) made them a very weak company and prime for a takeover. The company might have had quality in the parks, but they weren't strong. Again, I'm not saying it is an excuse that quality dip in the parks today in the name of profit...but saying that those times were golden is certainly not the case either.
WDWFigment
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I disagree that it's "all personal opinion." While entertainment quality isn't completely quantifiable, to a large degree, it is. I stand by my statement that Disneyland, dollar for dollar, is offering something that is objectively "more" than Walt Disney World. It could be my opinion that $3 is more than $5, but that doesn't mean my opinion isn't wrong. This isn't quite the same, as comparing value does require some value judgments to be made, but to say it's all personal opinion is also inaccurate.
As I explicitly said in my post, I love Walt Disney World as well. I think a lot of good things are currently happening in Florida, and in some regards, I think the ship is being righted. I think Walt Disney World surpasses Disneyland in many regards. Perhaps I'm overly optimistic. All of that said, at the end of the day, I have absolutely no doubt that on November 7, 2011, you get objectively more for your vacation dollar at Disneyland than you do at Walt Disney World.
TP2000
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Scanning my memory banks here... and I can't really come up with anything that DLR has lost when it comes to Christmas entertainment. The last Christmas thing that was lost was back in December, 2000; that was the last year they did the CBJ Christmas Show at Disneyland, as the CBJ was closed the following summer to be turned into Winnie The Pooh.
They've only added or plussed things at Disneyland for Christmastime over the last 10 years. The first five years of the 2000's they really plussed up the Christmas decorations in New Orleans Square, Frontierland, Critter Country, Big Thunder Ranch (with live reindeer shipped down from Alaska!) and Toontown and throughout DCA, and the last five years of the 2000's decade they plussed up the entertainment and Main Street decor with the LED lighting, the new LED Christmas tree, and snow machines and the Castle snow shows.
Now Disneyland seems to be back to plussing the decorations for 2011, as New Orleans Square and DCA's new entry are getting all new decorations with a new design scheme this year, although there's a rumored new version of Magic, Memories and You! coming for the Holidays at Small World this weekend, plus the new Prep & Landing Christmas pre-show at World of Color that starts this weekend. But those two entertainment pluses are likely just a 2011 offering only.
Interestingly, a lot of the DCA Christmas decorations from the 2000's are now gone because the buildings and themes it was designed for have been bulldozed in the last 18 months. They are slowly introducing new Christmas decorations at DCA this month for the new buildings and facilities that have never existed before.
But as for removing or cancelling anything at Disneyland for Christmas? Not since 2000 when the Country Bears sang their last round of Christmas carols.
devoy1701
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Walt put his company in jeopardy many MANY times...from the first Alice Comedies, to losing Oswald, to trying to find someone to distribute Mickey, to going nearly bankrupt with Snow White, then after great success expanding the studio operations 10-fold with new facitilities and projects right before the war which severely affected the companies revenues and workload....He put the company in jeopary plenty of times. He just had better luck than most!
Personal opinion and perceived value. For those of us who follow theme parks and their history and know of and have been to both Disneyland and Disney World (with open and critical minds with both) I think it's hard NOT to think you're getting better perceived value at Disneyland when it came to the theme parks. It's hard to sum up exactly why I feel this way, but between the park history that Disney World will never have, to the upkeep on the attractions and the attention to detail and transititions in a park that is much more compact and dense, to the more laid back vibe of the visitors and CMs in SoCal versus Central FL, we left feeling much more fulfilled.
Scanning my memory banks here... and I can't really come up with anything that DLR has lost when it comes to Christmas entertainment. The last Christmas thing that was lost was back in December, 2000; that was the last year they did the CBJ Christmas Show at Disneyland, as the CBJ was closed the following summer to be turned into Winnie The Pooh.
They've only added or plussed things at Disneyland for Christmastime over the last 10 years. The first five years of the 2000's they really plussed up the Christmas decorations in New Orleans Square, Frontierland, Critter Country, Big Thunder Ranch (with live reindeer shipped down from Alaska!) and Toontown and throughout DCA, and the last five years of the 2000's decade they plussed up the entertainment and Main Street decor with the LED lighting, the new LED Christmas tree, and snow machines and the Castle snow shows.
Now Disneyland seems to be back to plussing the decorations for 2011, as New Orleans Square and DCA's new entry are getting all new decorations with a new design scheme this year, although there's a rumored new version of Magic, Memories and You! coming for the Holidays at Small World this weekend, plus the new Prep & Landing Christmas pre-show at World of Color that starts this weekend. But those two entertainment pluses are likely just a 2011 offering only.
Interestingly, a lot of the DCA Christmas decorations from the 2000's are now gone because the buildings and themes it was designed for have been bulldozed in the last 18 months. They are slowly introducing new Christmas decorations at DCA this month for the new buildings and facilities that have never existed before.
But as for removing or cancelling anything at Disneyland for Christmas? Not since 2000 when the Country Bears sang their last round of Christmas carols.
Thanks for the tidbits TP. When we visited DL for our first time we purposed chose the holiday season so we could enjoy the many offerings in the parks. Imagine that...people planning a vacation around seasonal offerings?
I doubt I'm the only one to do this. And you would think with trends like that and with the great success of the Castle Dream Lights that TDO would realize that holiday offerings do bring people to the gate. Maybe not Country Bears alone, but Country Bears and HMH and Small World Holiday (and maybe reindeer too) would bring people.
maybe one day!
I think you just fell here for one of JT's annoying attempts to discredit WDW74 and to try to disrail the thread so that it will be closed.
But his post only showed that just copying stuff from Wikipedia and trying to look smart for doing so does not have a huge success. Not only have others already pointed out that American christians celebrate Epiphany (which btw is on January 6th unless you are Russian Orthodox), but I can also add from the perspective of a country where Christmas decorations used to be up until Candlemas (February 2nd) in the past, that this tradition has more or less disappeared in private homes and public places over the last 50 years. I guess folks who are well travelled and cultured are aware of this and don't have to rely on snippets from Wikipedia...
So, I would agree with you: let's rather return to the regular debate! :wave:
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I'll give you the Walt days.
TP2000
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You're welcome, and you certainly aren't the only one to plan a vacation to Disneyland during the holidays to take in all the special decorations, entertaiment and attractions.
Odd how that works, huh? :xmas:
And it's even odder to me that WDW is spending a Billion dollars on NextGen stuff to enable people to plan and plot out every hour of their vacations months in advance. A housewife in Ohio in 2013 will sit at her kitchen table four months before the family WDW trip and she will plot out thrice-daily meal times that work around Junior's food allergy and daily Fastpass times for all E and D Tickets and perfectly precious Princess meetings and pretend-spontaneous audiences with the Mouse who will already know your name and a parade viewing time on day three at a designated section of curb from 2:50 to 3:15 PM. PHEW!
And if you run late to any of these pre-planned appointments, your iPhone will beep at you that you are running hopelessly behind schedule and were due in Fantasyland two minutes ago. :hammer:
But this same group in TDO, and those who defend them, claim that WDW can't do rehabs or offer seasonal offerings because people show up at MCO with so little planning and foresight given to their trip that they expect everything to be running and everything to be available to them, and one single rehab will RUIN THEIR VACATION when they stride up to Small World in late October and see that it's closed for 10 days to turn it into Small World Holiday that no one ever told them about!