Marvel's Fantastic Four

Casper Gutman

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I don't care what side of the fence they are on either. Actors shouldn't be a detriment to their own movie. It's especially bad during press junkets and interviews. When they are supposed to be advertising their movie (or whatever) and bring something up randomly for no reason.
You absolutely, indisputably care about what side of the fence they are on or you’d be excoriating the writer with a hugely prominent franchise with a film series, multiple theme park lands, and upcoming mega TV series who has made being a political activist her primary profession and not focusing only on the actor who criticized her.

Why can’t the stupid actor just shut up while people with huge platforms attack his sister?
 

Casper Gutman

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Unfortunately it's really not something that can be talked about in depth here. That said, they can have any opinions they want, that's their right. But it should be no surprise when large groups want nothing to do with what you're selling. For better or worse, that's the way it can go.
Yup. Just the way it can go. It just happens. It’s not like there’s a huge network of social media and MSM personalities and politicians pumping out disingenuous rage about such comments 24/7 to gain power and distract from inconvenient realities.

It just happens!
 

erasure fan1

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Yup. Just the way it can go. It just happens. It’s not like there’s a huge network of social media and MSM personalities and politicians pumping out disingenuous rage about such comments 24/7 to gain power and distract from inconvenient realities.

It just happens!
Dear lord! I really think you need to take a break from society for a while. You say things about me but your post is absolute dribble. I said that's the way it can go. And that's absolutely true. It doesn't "just happen" as you say. Say and do dumb things and people might not like you. It's very simple.
 

Agent H

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Dear lord! I really think you need to take a break from society for a while. You say things about me but your post is absolute dribble. I said that's the way it can go. And that's absolutely true. It doesn't "just happen" as you say. Say and do dumb things and people might not like you. It's very simple.
How does the poster in question need to “take a break from society”? What does society have to do with what was said?
 

Casper Gutman

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Dear lord! I really think you need to take a break from society for a while. You say things about me but your post is absolute dribble. I said that's the way it can go. And that's absolutely true. It doesn't "just happen" as you say. Say and do dumb things and people might not like you. It's very simple.
Nah. I'm fine. Thanks for your concern.

Words have meaning. You choose how you frame issues. For instance, when you write "say and do dumb things and people might not like you," are you talking about Pascal not liking Rowling because she said and did "dumb things?" It doesn't seem that you are, because you're defining "dumb things" based on a specific set of ideological assumptions you try to hide behind a mask of "common sense." You're also pretending that "people" simply react to the "dumb things" in a vacuum without the intervention of a massive and powerful propaganda network framing the statements in terms designed to evoke very specific reactions because the existence of that network is inconvenient to your posture as a "simple," "common sense" truth teller.
 

DisneyWarrior27

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Speaking of The Fantastic 4, it looks like it managed to tie Superman and the new Jurassic Park/Jurassic World movie for biggest awareness on the charts of Quorum.

Looks like the new trailer from last week plus something else related to it in a certain MCU movie coming out next week, helped give it the shot in the arm it needed.

Maybe my prediction of The Fantastic Four making a billion worldwide will come true after all.

James Gunn, his Man of Steel, and the dinosaurs had better watch their backs in 3 months from now.
 

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erasure fan1

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You're also pretending that "people" simply react to the "dumb things" in a vacuum without the intervention of a massive and powerful propaganda network framing the statements in terms designed to evoke very specific reactions because the existence of that network is inconvenient to your posture as a "simple," "common sense" truth teller.
I'm not pretending anything. I just absolutely don't agree with any of that. If you do, whatever, no one will change your mind. But you constantly saying it to me won't change mine. You act like it's only one side doing the propaganda. And that's just not true.
You choose how you frame issues. For instance, when you write "say and do dumb things and people might not like you," are you talking about Pascal not liking Rowling because she said and did "dumb things?" It doesn't seem that you are, because you're defining "dumb things" based on a specific set of ideological assumptions you try to hide behind a mask of "common sense."
Look, I don't care who it is. Gina shouldn't have said what she said. Pedro shouldn't have said what he said. Funny it's seems a whole lotta people here can't see that. I'm not hiding behind anything, but of course you'd say that. I just don't believe that either side should be given a pass. Obviously you feel different. Again, we are not going to change each others minds. When I said, "say and do dumb things" it means exactly that. Will Smith, assaulted someone on stage, Gina and Pedros tweets, zeglers tweets, Rosannes tweets, all dumb things.
 

Casper Gutman

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I'm not pretending anything. I just absolutely don't agree with any of that. If you do, whatever, no one will change your mind. But you constantly saying it to me won't change mine. You act like it's only one side doing the propaganda. And that's just not true.
How did you hear about Pascal’s comments? Do you follow him on Instagram?
Look, I don't care who it is. Gina shouldn't have said what she said. Pedro shouldn't have said what he said. Funny it's seems a whole lotta people here can't see that. I'm not hiding behind anything, but of course you'd say that. I just don't believe that either side should be given a pass. Obviously you feel different. Again, we are not going to change each others minds. When I said, "say and do dumb things" it means exactly that. Will Smith, assaulted someone on stage, Gina and Pedros tweets, zeglers tweets, Rosannes tweets, all dumb things.
How about Rowling’s tweets and other public statements? Those are very relevant but you don’t mention them at all here.
 

Phroobar

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I'm not pretending anything. I just absolutely don't agree with any of that. If you do, whatever, no one will change your mind. But you constantly saying it to me won't change mine. You act like it's only one side doing the propaganda. And that's just not true.

Look, I don't care who it is. Gina shouldn't have said what she said. Pedro shouldn't have said what he said. Funny it's seems a whole lotta people here can't see that. I'm not hiding behind anything, but of course you'd say that. I just don't believe that either side should be given a pass. Obviously you feel different. Again, we are not going to change each others minds. When I said, "say and do dumb things" it means exactly that. Will Smith, assaulted someone on stage, Gina and Pedros tweets, zeglers tweets, Rosannes tweets, all dumb things.
After reading Will Smith's auto-biography I learned every time he does a dumb thing, his world comes crashing down to his feet.
 

erasure fan1

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How did you hear about Pascal’s comments? Do you follow him on Instagram?

How about Rowling’s tweets and other public statements? Those are very relevant but you don’t mention them at all here.
You know where I heard about this? From you! You said something about Pedro and JK and I had to go look it up. When I talked about Pedro I was talking about his tweets back around the time of Ginas. You just assumed I was talking about that. You know, the exact same thing you accuse me of doing. And why did you assume that? Im guessing because you think that I'm following the "hate" network secretly. And then hiding behind a mask of common sense.

I didn't mention Rowling because, like I said, I didn't know it was a thing. I guess the hate network wasn't as powerful as you thought. So as far as mentioning it, I couldn't mention what I didn't know. My stance won't change. Say dumb stuff and do dumb stuff, and people might not like you. No matter the side you're on.
 

Casper Gutman

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You know where I heard about this? From you! You said something about Pedro and JK and I had to go look it up. When I talked about Pedro I was talking about his tweets back around the time of Ginas. You just assumed I was talking about that. You know, the exact same thing you accuse me of doing. And why did you assume that? Im guessing because you think that I'm following the "hate" network secretly. And then hiding behind a mask of common sense.

I didn't mention Rowling because, like I said, I didn't know it was a thing. I guess the hate network wasn't as powerful as you thought. So as far as mentioning it, I couldn't mention what I didn't know. My stance won't change. Say dumb stuff and do dumb stuff, and people might not like you. No matter the side you're on.
So my mention of “the writer with a hugely prominent franchise with a film series, multiple theme park lands, and upcoming mega TV series who has made being a political activist her primary profession and … the actor who criticized her,” in a post prior to your reply didn’t tip you off? You just jumped into a conversation assuming we were talking about comments from years ago?
 

erasure fan1

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So my mention of “the writer with a hugely prominent franchise with a film series, multiple theme park lands, and upcoming mega TV series who has made being a political activist her primary profession and … the actor who criticized her,” in a post prior to your reply didn’t tip you off? You just jumped into a conversation assuming we were talking about comments from years ago?
Are you sure you're ok? You do realize that you stuck your nose in my comment that didn't involve you AT ALL. And that is what I was talking about. You're so blinded by your need to prove your point, it's mind-blowing. I would just take the L on this one.
 

Casper Gutman

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Are you sure you're ok? You do realize that you stuck your nose in my comment that didn't involve you AT ALL. And that is what I was talking about. You're so blinded by your need to prove your point, it's mind-blowing. I would just take the L on this one.
Just like you “stuck your nose” in an Agent H post that didn’t involve you at all? This is a message board. That’s how it works.

The charitable interpretation here is that you once again seem to have misread a post and misunderstood an issue and you’re doubling down.
 

erasure fan1

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Just like you “stuck your nose” in an Agent H post that didn’t involve you at all? This is a message board. That’s how it works.

The charitable interpretation here is that you once again seem to have misread a post and misunderstood an issue and you’re doubling down.
Dude take the L. Again, I didn't misunderstand anything. Where in here did I say anything about Pedro or JK?
Dear lord! I really think you need to take a break from society for a while. You say things about me but your post is absolute dribble. I said that's the way it can go. And that's absolutely true. It doesn't "just happen" as you say. Say and do dumb things and people might not like you. It's very simple.
No where! But then here's you
are you talking about Pascal not liking Rowling because she said and did "dumb things?" It doesn't seem that you are, because you're defining "dumb things" based on a specific set of ideological assumptions you try to hide behind a mask of "common sense."
Huh? Seems you threw them in the mix. So in fact it was you misunderstanding an issue.

So again, just take the L. You came after me because of your political motivations. You want to criticize only one side and you're mad I can criticize both. I've said nothing shocking or out of line. Say and do dumb stuff and people might not like you. What a crazy thing to say!
 

Willmark

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I feel like I just watched the movie.
I get what you’re saying. To me this seems the best one yet. I’m liking the tongue in cheek references.

I’m cautiously optimistic, guarded/wary but this represents the first Marvel movie I’m going to see in theater in quite some time. Since Endgame I just wait for Disney+
 

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