Marvel's Fantastic Four

[erasure fan1]

So, despite a couple comments people still misunderstand about Sue and Johnny Storm and lacking an understanding that Silver Surfer is not being gender-bent

The jury is still out on Pedro. It seems most don't think he's a good fit. And while the surfer isn't technically a swap. Most will have no clue why the surfer changed. So that's going to be the assumption. Will it matter? If the movies awesome, probably not.

Also, Shang-Chi and Wakanda Forever were good movies too.

Shang Chi was just ok. But wakanda was not good in my opinion. They really should have created a new story instead of trying to adjust it. Or better yet just recast panther like Chadwick would have wanted.

As far as the other bad goes. Antman, the marvels, eternals, she hulk, secret invasion and thor. Not great at all.

 

[DKampy]

just recast panther like Chadwick would have wanted.

No one knows what Chadwick would want… as he wasn’t around to ask…. Marvel was in a tough situation either recast or pass the baton…. Either way there was no guarantees the Marvel audience would be with it. ….I saw some criticism over Harrison Ford replacing William Hurt after his passing

 

[erasure fan1]

No one knows what Chadwick would want… as he wasn’t around to ask…. Marvel was in a tough situation either recast or pass the baton…

Well If we are to believe his brother, he said that's what Chadwick wanted. Sure was to TMZ but
"Derrick claimed that Chadwick believed the role of T'Challa was larger than him and was aware of the character's impact and influence on impressionable fans."
If anyone would know, it'd be his family.

Either way there was no guarantees the Marvel audience would be with it. ….I saw some criticism over Harrison Ford replacing William Hurt after his passing

There's not a guarantee in anything. But I think they end up with a much better film if they didn't have to rework the script. Unfortunately it just felt too disjointed with strange tonel shifts. I haven't seen any issues with ford taking over except some didn't think he was the right choice. Not that he shouldn't be recast. I think most, in a situations like these, want to see the characters continue.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well If we are to believe his brother, he said that's what Chadwick wanted. Sure was to TMZ but
"Derrick claimed that Chadwick believed the role of T'Challa was larger than him and was aware of the character's impact and influence on impressionable fans."
If anyone would know, it'd be his family.

There's not a guarantee in anything. But I think they end up with a much better film if they didn't have to rework the script. Unfortunately it just felt too disjointed with strange tonel shifts. I haven't seen any issues with ford taking over except some didn't think he was the right choice. Not that he shouldn't be recast. I think most, in a situations like these, want to see the characters continue.

I get the point overall. However you have to think that some actors are so tied to the characters because of the iconic performance they give that most can't see anyone else in the characters. For example RDJ will forever be Iron Man. If the day comes where they reboot the character and recast I'm willing to bet that almost no one will not be thinking its a downgrade to have another actor in the role. I feel the same with Boseman and T'Challa, had they recast a large majority I'm betting would have considered it a downgrade and in this case dishonoring the memory of Boseman so soon after his passing.

They could have gone in a different direction with the movie, but I think they wanted to have Shuri mourn the loss of her brother. And in a cathartic way since she is someone that wants to always do something have her take up the mantle, even if it was for a short period. It poetic that way, and I think allowed the audience to heal with her.

 

[erasure fan1]

RDJ will forever be Iron Man. If the day comes where they reboot the character and recast I'm willing to bet that almost no one will not be thinking its a downgrade to have another actor in the role.

I'm sure that would happen too. But when I said in situations like these, I was talking about an untimely death. That is a completely different situation than rebooting. And I think there's an acceptance difference between the two. As good as Chadwick was, he wasn't as engrained as RDJ. Like I said as well, a total rewrite would have worked as well. Disney just didn't want to shift stuff around. That's why I think recasting was the better option.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm sure that would happen too. But when I said in situations like these, I was talking about an untimely death. That is a completely different situation than rebooting. And I think there's an acceptance difference between the two. As good as Chadwick was, he wasn't as engrained as RDJ. Like I said as well, a total rewrite would have worked as well. Disney just didn't want to shift stuff around. That's why I think recasting was the better option.

Honestly I would say that outside of RDJ no other actor other than Boseman is so synonymous with a role as he was with T’Challa. Just my opinion of course but I think it would have had negative backlash so close after his death to recast him. And they weren’t going to wait 10 years to have a sequel, so I think they did the best they could. Of course the story itself can always be better, but I think it was good overall.

 

[DKampy]

Well If we are to believe his brother, he said that's what Chadwick wanted. Sure was to TMZ but
"Derrick claimed that Chadwick believed the role of T'Challa was larger than him and was aware of the character's impact and influence on impressionable fans."
If anyone would know, it'd be his family.

I remember I saw some typical hate sites running with the narrative that Chadwick’s brother said something to that effect.. as I never trust those sites.. .They typically have their own agenda…. I researched..All I found was one site I never heard of reporting that they had heard the bother allegedly said something to that effect… But I read quite a few articles saying Coogler worked closely with Chadwick’s family as he wanted to properly honor his legacy and they were fine with the recasting…so I took that as the family considering Shuri being cast as the new black panther… even if it was just passing the mantle…. It felt at the time as a spin…. But I never saw any in person live interviews… so who knows

 

[HauntedPirate]

There are so many bad takes in this thread lately… I can’t even…

 

[Disney Irish]

There are so many bad takes in this thread lately… I can’t even…

Different opinion =/= bad take.

 

[Agent H]

Must we make fun of people for having different opinions? I wouldn’t do that to someone else.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Must we make fun of people for having different opinions? I wouldn’t do that to someone else.

That's a terrible opinion to have!!

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Anyone see The Last of Us, episode 2?

Spoiler

Pedro's schedule has just opened up. .... Joel died again. Unfortunately very brutally. What makes matters even worse is it happened before he and Ellie could patch things up.

Not really into The Last of Us anyway. So no.

 

[Phroobar]

Not really into The Last of Us anyway. So no.

I've played the game and done the HHN maze. I don't care about the show.

 

[Disney Irish]

It would be nice if these stupid actors (Pascal, Zegler) would keep their stupid opinions to themselves. It is becoming increasingly hard to suspend your belief and believe they're the characters. People just want to lose themselves in movies and shows. Not think in the back of their mind "he or she said this stupid thing and is nothing like the character they're portraying."

Maybe it's time to bring back some ideas from Old Hollywood.

Do you think actors of Old Hollywood didn't have opinions of their own? Were they just deaf mutes? No of course not, it just wasn't reported on for clicks. That is the difference between yesterday and today. If there was social media back in the Golden Age of Hollywood I can guarantee you that all the "stars" from Old Hollywood would be spouting their opinions too. Its human nature to express our opinions just as you do here.

If you don't want to hear the opinions of actors, then ignore those articles or Youtube videos that include their opinions. Its easy if you try.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Not all actors/actresses do it, just the classless ones.

 

[Prince-1]

Not all actors/actresses do it, just the classless ones.

Like Gina Carano, Jon Voight, Zachary Levi. Definitely all classless.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Oh no! You only posted actors from one side of the spectrum, whatever shall I do!

 

[Agent H]

It’s a really weird thing to say actors can’t talk about politics in fear of offending people like they exist only to please their audience and are not supposed to have their own opinions.

 

[erasure fan1]

It’s a really weird thing to suddenly say actors can’t talk about politics in fear of offending people like they exist only to please their audience and are not supposed to have their own opinions.

Unfortunately it's really not something that can be talked about in depth here. That said, they can have any opinions they want, that's their right. But it should be no surprise when large groups want nothing to do with what you're selling. For better or worse, that's the way it can go.

 

[Prince-1]

Oh no! You only posted actors from one side of the spectrum, whatever shall I do!

Realize your post that I responded to was ridiculously stupid?!? That’s a good start but if I think of something else I’ll let you know.