Marvel Land Discussion and Rumors

[spacemt354]

There's a Swiss mountain in Tomorrowland next to a tropical lagoon so Marvel characters in California wouldn't be that big of a deal.

Disneyland is not called Disney Swiss Adventure though...apples to oranges. Disneyland's purpose is to be made up of eclectic environments of various theme.

Other park? The purpose is in the title, Disney.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yep, and the building was inspired by indoor thrill rides from the period like The Dragon's Gorge at Ocean Park in Santa Monica.

This again proves the point EVEN more! The "new" DCA is using the INSPIRATIONS of California but not actual California locations. So this idea that things need to be based on some place from California need to just die. Disney is going to do what they feel is in their best interests with the park. And those purest will need to accept it, or be one less person in line.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Is the Matterhorn not going to exist in the future? What do you know that we don't?

And superheroes never travel to other states or countries?

 

[spacemt354]

This again proves the point EVEN more! The "new" DCA is using the INSPIRATIONS of California but not actual California locations. So this idea that things need to be based on something from California need to just die. Disney is going to do what they feel is in their best interests with the park. And those purest will need to accept it, or be one less person in line.

You first said that it was still the same building, which was proven wrong. Then you said it could look like any 20th century aquarium, also proven wrong since it was inspired by Dragon Gorge at Ocean Park.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but weren't several rides such as California Screamin' -- inspired by California? Inspired by California fits the narrative...a 180 degree turn into Marvel and Pixar, just because...'it's Disney', doesn't.

 

[Disney Irish]

Cars Land makes sense for me due to Route 66 and the naturalistic setting (even though Radiator Springs is technically in Arizona) But Marvel's headquarters are in New York City so I don't see the connection just because 'comics'

Unless it has Iron Man (Malibu), Ant-Man (San Fran), West Coast Avengers (unlikely), or the story takes place in California, I really don't see how it fits. Even then, Spider-Man in a California setting would be a complete injustice to the character in my opinion.

And yet they were able to tell the story of Iron Man being in HKDL with their attraction. So I don't see why they couldn't do something similar with the Marvel attractions.

Even GotG has the story of the Collector bringing his Collections to DCA for all to see. So it seems with Marvel they will use the real world aspect as the reason for the placement.

 

[TROR]

This again proves the point EVEN more! The "new" DCA is using the INSPIRATIONS of California but not actual California locations. So this idea that things need to be based on some place from California need to just die. Disney is going to do what they feel is in their best interests with the park. And those purest will need to accept it, or be one less person in line.

I am one less person in line. Why should I pay over $100 for lazy storytelling and cheap attractions when I can pay the same price for the greatest theme park in the US of A just next door? DCA is a scam and until Disney gets their act together, everyone who visits the park is being scammed.

And superheroes never travel to other states or countries?

I'm sure Harry Potter visited Italy at one point in his life but that doesn't mean a land based off the character shouldn't be Hogwarts.

 

[TROR]

And yet they were able to tell the story of Iron Man being in HKDL with their attraction. So I don't see why they couldn't do something similar with the Marvel attractions.

Yes, and Iron Man Experience in Hong Kong is absolute garbage.

Even GotG has the story of the Collector bringing his Collections to DCA for all to see. So it seems with Marvel they will use the real world aspect as the reason for the placement.

Yes, and Mission Breakout in Disney California Adventure is absolute garbage.

 

[spacemt354]

Even GotG has the story of the Collector bringing his Collections to DCA for all to see.

It's hard to read this sentence and keep a straight face.

(No offense to you)...more to the Disney BoD that wanted it.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I'm sure Harry Potter visited Italy at one point in his life but that doesn't mean a land based off the character shouldn't be Hogwarts.

And so what if they did that as the basis of a theme park ride or land? Disney has always taken extrodinary liberties with the subject matter in it's parks. What's the big deal if Marvel characters were placed in a custom stories that takes place in California?

 

[Disney Irish]

You first said that it was still the same building, which was proven wrong. Then you said it could look like any 20th century aquarium, also proven wrong since it was inspired by Dragon Gorge at Ocean Park.

Correct me if I'm wrong...but weren't several rides such as California Screamin' -- inspired by California? Inspired by California fits the narrative...a 180 degree turn into Marvel and Pixar, just because...'it's Disney', doesn't.

I will admit about the same building statement, that is was my mistake. However the 20th century aquarium comment was to the poster who said it was a Victorian aquarium, which it is not. As for the Dragon Gorge, its not a direct representation and is only part of the inspiration. So my point still stands. Disney has gone away from DCA being all about California the physical place and about things from California as inspirations.

 

[TROR]

And so what if they did that as the basis of a theme park ride or land? Disney has always taken extrodinary liberties with the subject matter in it's parks. What's the big deal if Marvel characters were placed in a custom stories that takes place in California?

Because the primary location of most Marvel characters, like Spider-Man, is New York. Even the Avengers HQ is in New York. It's a New York based property for the most part so just shedding half of its identity by completely changing the location would make it feel lower quality. I mean, what if they set Indiana Jones on the moon and put him in Tomorrowland? It's not true to the character or the property.

But I think one thing everyone is missing here, and it's a big one, is that MCU movies are mostly all set in present day. Disney Parks work best when set in worlds we can't visit. Whether that's a world like Radiator Springs, or 1940's Hollywood, or the future in Tomorrowland, point is these aren't places we can visit. We can visit modern day California. There's nothing special about that setting whatsoever. What a Marvel land needs is to be set in the 1960's when comic book characters were in their golden age.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, and Iron Man Experience in Hong Kong is absolute garbage.


Yes, and Mission Breakout in Disney California Adventure is absolute garbage.

Your opinion. Not the opinion of all parkgoers.

 

[Disney Irish]

Marvel in the parks is going to be its own universe not directly tied to the MCU. This has already been confirmed by Disney/Marvel. So just because the MCU, or even the comics for that matter, have Marvel set in New York doesn't mean their presentation in the parks with be New York based. They can tell any story they want if they need to have it tie back to California the physical place.

 

[spacemt354]

Marvel in the parks is going to be its own universe not directly tied to the MCU. This has already been confirmed by Disney/Marvel. So just because the MCU, or even the comics for that matter, have Marvel set in New York doesn't mean their presentation in the parks with be New York based. They can tell any story they want if they need to have it tie back to California the physical place.

Again, that is a horrible excuse for a 'backstory'. Disney's better than that.

Disney has gone from 5th dimension elevators, to swashbuckling pirates, to the MCU... but in California.

 

[TROR]

Your opinion. Not the opinion of all parkgoers.

Yes. My opinion. Which is why I'm arguing it. Why would I argue for the opinion of people who I disagree with and know less about themed entertainment and design than I do?

Marvel in the parks is going to be its own universe not directly tied to the MCU. This has already been confirmed by Disney/Marvel. So just because the MCU, or even the comics for that matter, have Marvel set in New York doesn't mean their presentation in the parks with be New York based. They can tell any story they want if they need to have it tie back to California the physical place.

If what you're saying is true (it's not), then we can have 1960's Iron Man in 1960's Los Angeles. But, what you're saying isn't true. The movies tie into the rides but the rides do not tie into the movies and the rides tie into other rides. That's what Gunn's (I believe it was Gunn?) comment about MTPU not being tied to MCU.

 

[Disney Irish]

Because the primary location of most Marvel characters, like Spider-Man, is New York. Even the Avengers HQ is in New York. It's a New York based property for the most part so just shedding half of its identity by completely changing the location would make it feel lower quality. I mean, what if they set Indiana Jones on the moon and put him in Tomorrowland? It's not true to the character or the property.

But I think one thing everyone is missing here, and it's a big one, is that MCU movies are mostly all set in present day. Disney Parks work best when set in worlds we can't visit. Whether that's a world like Radiator Springs, or 1940's Hollywood, or the future in Tomorrowland, point is these aren't places we can visit. We can visit modern day California. There's nothing special about that setting whatsoever. What a Marvel land needs is to be set in the 1960's when comic book characters were in their golden age.

Marvel has had many stories based in California and many other locations going all the way back to its first comics, so its not exclusive to just New York.

 

[TROR]

Marvel has had many stories based in California and many other locations going all the way back to its first comics, so its not exclusive to just New York.

Are we basing a Marvel land off of the comic universe now? Because everything so far has shown us it's based off the MCU. So which is it?

 

[Disney Irish]

If what you're saying is true (it's not), then we can have 1960's Iron Man in 1960's Los Angeles. But, what you're saying isn't true. The movies tie into the rides but the rides do not tie into the movies and the rides tie into other rides. That's what Gunn's (I believe it was Gunn?) comment about MTPU not being tied to MCU.

His statement was to say not to expect MTPU to be a continuation of the MCU. Meaning that while the characters from the MCU, or things such as props, can be familiar from the MCU it will not be the starting or ending point.

 

[Disney Irish]

Are we basing a Marvel land off of the comic universe now? Because everything so far has shown us it's based off the MCU. So which is it?

They will be using references from all over Marvel, including the MCU. The MCU is not the starting or ending point of Marvel Land or its attractions.

 

[spacemt354]

His statement was to say not to expect MTPU to be a continuation of the MCU. Meaning that while the characters from the MCU, or things such as props, can be familiar from the MCU it will not be the starting or ending point.

Stories and events that happen in the land will have no impact on the films

However the MCU film characters are the primary basis for the attractions, as already seen via Mission Breakout.

So I'm confused what you are saying.