Marvel in Hollywood Studios?

[CDavid]

There were apparently some phone calls and a rerouting of the monorail to keep it outside of the theme parks. But I think when you cross over into M&Gs, that's a different animal. I could see Disney being able to do it. But I can't see that happening without a fight. And it's probably not worth it to Disney to have that fight. What do they gain from a M&G at DTD? Hardly worth it.

What would be gained would be some effective, free promotion for Islands of Adventure and the Marvel attractions there, while further confusing the public over where the Marvel heroes belong. Again, if you really want to do it, try to get an agreement with Universal beforehand and avoid a nasty legal battle, or even arbitration. I can't imagine Universal would be anxious to have the "family" of characters precisely defined in court, because if for any reason they lose, they lose big. Not that I would expect such an outcome, but a narrow "family" definition would leave them with most of the more popular characters, but Disney free to do as it pleases with everything else.

 

[jt04]

Ant man is an Avenger. One the the original to be exact. Avengers characters are featured in the Universal parks. Therefore, WDW cannot feature ant man in its parks as ant man is part of the avengers family of characters, which Universal has the rights to. It's not rocket science man. You are going to take the Sentinal's word over you know the actually legally binding contract that can be read easily on line? And you wonder why your credibility is shot.

You make a point that Disney will have rights to new Marvel characters though Universal could easily make the case that if said new characters become Avengers for example, Disney will no longer be able to have them in the parks as they are now part of that character family.

Also, 60+ years of the same characters being popular that have always been popular would seem to suggest your hypothetical theory that the characters popular now wont be popular years from now is false. Batman (yes I know that isn't Marvel) hasn't exactly gone out of style. Nor has Spider-man and the other ultra popular Marvel characters.

It is not my theory. And I know Marvel IP can be seen on property. Ant-Man is probably a legal gray area but new characters will not be. And it has been confirmed there will be new characters. Which you know very well Disney will want to promote on property,

PS- there are KUKA ride vehicles at Epcot when we were told that would be illegal by people here. Huh.

 

[GLaDOS]

PS- there are KUKA ride vehicles at Epcot when we were told that would be illegal by people here. Huh.

Wrong, as usual. The KUKAs on a track are what Universal has exclusivity to. Not KUKAs themselves.

 

[jt04]

Wrong, as usual. The KUKAs on a track are what Universal has exclusivity to. Not KUKAs themselves.

Yes, this is known now. But before the project some were saying no Kuka was allowed whether on a track or not. Similar to how some talk about Marvel in absolutes when no one really knows specifics on what the future holds.

 

[lebeau]

I have a new potential point, but please keep in mind it is forever (seemingly) off. Eventually the comics will enter public domain. That won't keep Universal from keeping a Marvel land, but it would allow Disney to use certain characters.

The public domain laws are extremely tricky though since they only cover the earliest works at first (until the rest have expired). Still, eventually, it would happen. Disney took full advantage of the Oz books when that occurred, hence the new Oz film that came out. Marvel is definitely a little more complicated than that though since certain characters were introduced at different times. Still, I think it would be interesting. It would seem like that if a character were to enter public domain, rights would be free (for that specific character) regardless of what family they are in.

My guess is that Disney will try to keep all their works from entering public domain though. In my opinion, they shouldn't be able to, but they pulled if off with Mickey Mouse, at least temporarily. Disney wouldn't want any Marvel characters to go into public domain more than Universal since they would also lose exclusive film rights. The point is, it would allow Disney to eventually have the chance to put any character in their parks if they wanted, even if I'm dead from old age when it happens.

I can't wait for Mickey Mouse attractions at Universal since that is how public domain apparently works.

 

[Captain Chaos]

So...I'm confused...A Daredevil spinner is going to be part of Disney Springs?

It will be Doc Ock since he has 8 arms and all..

 

[lebeau]

It is not my theory. And I know Marvel IP can be seen on property. Ant-Man is probably a legal gray area but new characters will not be. And it has been confirmed there will be new characters. Which you know very well Disney will want to promote on property,

That "new characters" bit you are so fond of was malarky for Wall Street. Marvel has been trying and failing to create new characters for decades. They aren't magically going to be successful now.

 

[jt04]

That "new characters" bit you are so fond of was malarky for Wall Street. Marvel has been trying and failing to create new characters for decades. They aren't magically going to be successful now.

Sorry but that news came from Iger hisownself.

You will see new Marvel, Pixar (already have) and Star Wars characters. It is a given.

 

[lebeau]

Yes, this is known now. But before the project some were saying no Kuka was allowed whether on a track or not. Similar to how some talk about Marvel in absolutes when no one really knows specifics on what the future holds.

Remember when you were "absolte"-ly convinced Universal would hand over the Marvel theme park rights because of... Coke and Pepsi. And how Sony was going to sign away the spider-man movie rights because of... no reason.

No one knows what the future holds. But some people have a more informed idea than others. Your track record for Marvel predictions is the worst around. You have yet to be right.

 

[lebeau]

Sorry but that news came from Iger hisownself.

You will see new Marvel, Pixar (already have) and Star Wars characters. It is a given.

Proving my point that it was malarky for shareholders.

To my knowledge, Universal doesn't own the rights to Pixar or Star Wars. So they are nothing at all like Marvel. They are a given. Marvel is anything but.

 

[bubbles1812]

It is not my theory. And I know Marvel IP can be seen on property. Ant-Man is probably a legal gray area but new characters will not be. And it has been confirmed there will be new characters. Which you know very well Disney will want to promote on property,

PS- there are KUKA ride vehicles at Epcot when we were told that would be illegal by people here. Huh.

What @lebeau said... They've tried, and I'm sure they will continue to try but that doesn't mean any new characters will be successful. And again you seem to be doing that selective reading thing... The mega popular characters of 60 years ago are the same mega popular characters today. So why would that change in the years to come? You think Spider Man and Iron Man are really going to go out of style? They've proven to be characters popular for the long haul.

And how is Ant-man legal grey area? Again, not rocket science. The contract states characters and their character families are what Universal has the rights to. Ant-man is an Avenger. The Avengers are represented heavily in the Universal parks. Ergo, they cannot use Ant-man. There is no grey area... It's spells out pretty plainly and even people with little reading comprehension skills such as yourself can easily understand it.

 

[jt04]

Remember when you were "absolte"-ly convinced Universal would hand over the Marvel theme park rights because of... Coke and Pepsi. And how Sony was going to sign away the spider-man movie rights because of... no reason.

No one knows what the future holds. But some people have a more informed idea than others. Your track record for Marvel predictions is the worst around. You have yet to be right.

We will see on Sony. May take longer than I thought but if they are not making money on the IP they will drop it. Per Blue Sky Disney, Sony also has legal obligations in regard to the franchise that they may or may not determine they can maintain. The reboot was not exactly a blockbuster.

We will see about MSHI once Potter 2.0 opens and all the other stuff WDW74 has said is on the way. MSHI becomes less important by the day to Uni's bottom line. Especially since the revenue it generates has to be shared with the competition.

It all just may take a bit longer than I thought.

 

[lebeau]

What @lebeau said... They've tried, and I'm sure they will continue to try but that doesn't mean any new characters will be successful. And again you seem to be doing that selective reading thing... The mega popular characters of 60 years ago are the same mega popular characters today. So why would that change in the years to come? You think Spider Man and Iron Man are really going to go out of style? They've proven to be characters popular for the long haul.

Let's just say Marvel came up with a new character that was moderately popular and somehow unaffiliated with the X-men, Fantastic Four, Avengers or Spider-man. They would immediately stick them on a team to promote sales. It is how comics work.

 

[jt04]

Proving my point that it was malarky for shareholders.

To my knowledge, Universal doesn't own the rights to Pixar or Star Wars. So they are nothing at all like Marvel. They are a given. Marvel is anything but.

I was not saying Marvel, Pixar and SW are one entity. I am saying these IPs will be expanded. Including Marvel. Don't underestimate Disney's creative ability (or financial resources they are willing to invest) to create new characters and worlds for the Marvel universe.

 

[lebeau]

We will see on Sony. May take longer than I thought but if they are not making money on the IP they will drop it. Per Blue Sky Disney, Sony also has legal obligations in regard to the franchise that they may or may not determine they can maintain. The reboot was not exactly a blockbuster.

We will see about MSHI once Potter 2.0 opens and all the other stuff WDW74 has said is on the way. MSHI becomes less important by the day to Uni's bottom line. Especially since the revenue it generates has to be shared with the competition.

It all just may take a bit longer than I thought.

Yes, they were so unhappy with the reboot's box office that they immediately greenlit a sequel.

I'm sure all those hit Marvel movies have got Uni executives rethinking the importance of MSHI to their parks. Probably can't wait to unload them given how unimportant they are to their bottom line.

That all makes perfect sense. In Bizarro World.

Hey, I can wait. The longer you keep sticking to your ridiculous predictions, the funnier they become.

 

[lebeau]

I was not saying Marvel, Pixar and SW are one entity. I am saying these IPs will be expanded. Including Marvel. Don't underestimate Disney's creative ability (or financial resources they are willing to invest) to create new characters and worlds for the Marvel universe.

Show me some evidence of this beyond a quote that was clearly meant to calm shareholders who thought Disney overpaid for Marvel. Because I have decades of history that suggests that you are completely wrong.

 

[GLaDOS]

The reboot was not exactly a blockbuster.

The reboot almost made as much money worldwide as Captain America and Thor Put together.

In what Universe is that not a blockbuster?

 

[lebeau]

The reboot almost made as much money worldwide as Captain America and Thor Put together.

In what Universe is that not a blockbuster?

In the same world where companies hand over valuable assets to their competitors for no reason. It's called jt's imagination. It's a magical place.

 

[lazyboy97o]

We will see on Sony. May take longer than I thought but if they are not making money on the IP they will drop it. Per Blue Sky Disney, Sony also has legal obligations in regard to the franchise that they may or may not determine they can maintain. The reboot was not exactly a blockbuster.

You need to follow the news more closely. Those legal obligations are not mostly nonexistent for Sony.

 

[Captain Chaos]

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