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Marvel coming to WDW?!?!
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Yeah, that really doesn't seem to be their style lately. Even if they opened something new, they would probably close ToT anyway. I think they just don't want to staff anything additional.
RSoxNo1
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Hey guys... we've got an awful idea for the parks!
Bob Chapek: Great, any more good news?
Yeah, we can rush it as well!
Cesar R M
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"Welcome to our new park, We wish to present you our new Disney levels of presentation and operations by giving you an unfinished park that barely has been painted and hardly half works at a full price, DONT YOU LOVE AMERICAN CAPITALIST?"
lazyboy97o
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The Twilight Zone Tower of Terror is right next to where the Marvel land is set to go in Disney's California Adventure. A second attraction makes the land seem bigger. Forcing in Florida helps to spread costs and (this is just what I think) gets something in Florida before Avengers: Infinity Wars' marketing starts up.
Cesar R M
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clearly that costs money.. and money can get between Iger's precious bonus.
Wikkler
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RSoxNo1
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I don't love the idea of Marvel in Tomorrowland, but a walk through the Collector's facility replacing Stitch could be cool. Either way though it would be underwhelming.
No Name
Well-Known Member
This appears like it could be very comparable to the whole situation of Frozen replacing Maelstrom, right? The reaction on here is somewhat the same to both. But it's really not comparable at all.
When Disney thinks about these decisions, they should be thinking about how it will affect each guest. Not just us on here, not just returning guests, not just new guests, but all types of people.
Maelstrom was not the highlight of anyone's trip. It wasn't a heavily advertised, headliner attraction that even the majority of guests rode. Sure, it was a good ride, but the Frozen ride could be just as good. Quality is not the issue here. The changing of theme and "toonification" of world showcase is what got many people on the internet up in arms, but the average guest, though they may be disappointed, will not care as much about that. People I know have a "yeah that sucks" reaction, but this isn't something that really gets under their skin. The biggest negative of Frozenstrom is the break in theme that each guest will unconsciously feel.
But this Tower of Terror thing is more severe, because returning guests will very consciously feel the pain. It'll bring a "what?!, no... that's terrible!" type of reaction. Something so amazing that brought so many memories in the past... gone? Something will feel missing. Even riding it once, you instantly love it because it's such a great ride, such a memory. And average people return to WDW not just to ride new things, but to relive such fond memories from previous trips.
Even people who have never visited will be disappointed. Tower of Terror is such a renowned ride that almost everyone has heard of it. It is the prime example of a drop tower. When someone's friend talks about their recent trip, usually this ride comes up, and so it potentially draws that someone to WDW. People want to experience what they've heard so much about. I am seriously not exaggerating this. ToT, Space Mountain, Everest, and a few others are the most talked about WDW rides in the regular world. These type of things put WDW over Universal for first-timers.
Overall, the average guest does not know they care about theme. They do not see Frozenstrom the same way we do. However, nearly every guest cares about memories. Nearly every guest cares about riding something they love or have heard so much about. That's what makes this different, and more immediately harmful to the average guest, than Frozenstrom.
When Disney thinks about these decisions, they should be thinking about how it will affect each guest. Not just us on here, not just returning guests, not just new guests, but all types of people.
Maelstrom was not the highlight of anyone's trip. It wasn't a heavily advertised, headliner attraction that even the majority of guests rode. Sure, it was a good ride, but the Frozen ride could be just as good. Quality is not the issue here. The changing of theme and "toonification" of world showcase is what got many people on the internet up in arms, but the average guest, though they may be disappointed, will not care as much about that. People I know have a "yeah that sucks" reaction, but this isn't something that really gets under their skin. The biggest negative of Frozenstrom is the break in theme that each guest will unconsciously feel.
But this Tower of Terror thing is more severe, because returning guests will very consciously feel the pain. It'll bring a "what?!, no... that's terrible!" type of reaction. Something so amazing that brought so many memories in the past... gone? Something will feel missing. Even riding it once, you instantly love it because it's such a great ride, such a memory. And average people return to WDW not just to ride new things, but to relive such fond memories from previous trips.
Even people who have never visited will be disappointed. Tower of Terror is such a renowned ride that almost everyone has heard of it. It is the prime example of a drop tower. When someone's friend talks about their recent trip, usually this ride comes up, and so it potentially draws that someone to WDW. People want to experience what they've heard so much about. I am seriously not exaggerating this. ToT, Space Mountain, Everest, and a few others are the most talked about WDW rides in the regular world. These type of things put WDW over Universal for first-timers.
Overall, the average guest does not know they care about theme. They do not see Frozenstrom the same way we do. However, nearly every guest cares about memories. Nearly every guest cares about riding something they love or have heard so much about. That's what makes this different, and more immediately harmful to the average guest, than Frozenstrom.
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hopemax
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Which Disney attractions that has undergone a similar re-theming, gives you confidence that "it will be executed well"?
Under New Management? Stitch? Figment? Test Track?
Otherwise, I'm afraid it's just a thought exercise with not a lot of value, more like armchair Imagineering. At some point, in Disney's history I would have thought differently about the possibility of imagining a well executed re-theme. Just like its getting harder and harder to have confidence in the management team, I'm finding it hard to have confidence that Imagineering is still what we think it is, as a result of the last X number of years of bad decisions made by the management team. I know most people aren't "there" yet when it comes to Imagineering. There may still be an A team, but the A team can't be everywhere. It feels like a coping mechanism to believe "maybe it won't be that bad, maybe it will be executed well." Presents a "path forward" other than heart-crushing. I was part of Disney fandom when the Save Toad campaign was going on, and participating, like we do here in this forum, with the guy running it. I feel like I've been burned too many times before to give Disney benefit of the doubt now.
alissafalco
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Please Spirit, I can't take anymore
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FigmentJedi
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I'd say Test Track was improved by the Tronification, even with the interactive elements that barely work. The realistic autotesting facility scored by some 90s-xtreme cacophony soundtrack and dull administrators just weren't that interesting and the idea of focusing around design is sound, even though again, the interactive stuff with designing your vehicles isn't all that well implemented.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
That was not a rumor, Disney was considering selling the parks to Prince Alaweed
MasterGracey82
Active Member
Could the mess in Shanghai be just a few chapters in a much larger book titled The Implosion of One Man's Dream: The Fall of Disney Parks & Resorts? Shanghai is way over budget and still won't be completed by the June opening date, which means many more millions could be dumped into that project. There's the possibility of millions being spent on bonehead ideas like a ToT GotG re-skin that, in my opinion, won't increase revenue, but could actually hurt revenue. Continuous cuts (which seem to be making their way into more and more aspects of the parks and resorts) while at the same time increasing prices might take a bite out of demand. Billions being budgeted for DHS renovations, etc., etc., etc. Could P&R be over leveraging themselves while possibly reducing demand that could end up being the perfect storm that takes it down?
I know that sounds extreme, but when when all we seem to be hearing about lately is how disconnected the executives seem to be from their business, it sounds reasonable to me that a series of bad decisions in the near future could be problematic.
Quinnmac000
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Do you really think tweeting joe rohde would help anything when he hasn't even gotten the yeti fixed yet?
No it will most likely do nothing but it doesn't hurt either.
SJN1279
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I really enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy, and the soundtrack is fantastic. I am betting this happens by May 2017 to coincide with the new movie. I'm curious to see how they do it. Rock and Roller Coaster makes more sense to me, but maybe they will overlay both attractions, and create a themed land out of it.
Maybe there is a huge tower structure in Guardians 2?!
Maybe there is a huge tower structure in Guardians 2?!
Quinnmac000
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Bob Chapek is higher than Joe Rohde on the totem pole...if this is Bob Chapek's decision as Spirit said, Bob is the one you should be sending your complaints to as he made this decision. Joe may be in charge of Marvel but he has to do what his boss says.
Andy Whitfield
Active Member
Who else can we tweet? I find this "idea" repulsive! Everyone in the world loves this ride and only an idiot could think this is a good idea
BrianLo
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Fair enough! Although most of those are Eisner era redo's, so it's a bit hard to honestly say these days.
Test Track and Star Tours are more recent ones that I feel have actually been an improvement (some may disagree). Soarin' is one I'm quite optimistic about, the land has already been very successfully rethemed at DCA. Monsters Inc. definitely was an improvement over SuperStar Limo (frankly, anything would be). Phantom Manor and Tokyo's ToT are technically two that qualify as the same ride with different themes that work quite well.
I guess my point is DCA's ToT isn't that well executed (or placed) to begin with. In terms of temporary overlays though, DLR has quite a few other good examples. Even the recent invasion of IP on a classic, Hyperspace Mountain, is tastefully done.
Again, before anyone hunts me down, I'm by no means advocating a change in Florida. I just think it's very different scenario in DCA.