Marvel coming to WDW?!?!

[PhotoDave219]

How. Why. How is this even remotely a thing that is happening? This is real bad, folks.

The insane disconnect between management and the theme parks they are running.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You can re-theme a coaster without building a new one....

There is no coaster in California.

 

[JUFL2019]

There is no coaster in California.

Good thing this thread is mostly about WDW, as was the response you replied to.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Good thing this thread is mostly about WDW, as was the response you replied to.

This is about Walt Disney World because of a desire to split costs. There is no cost splitting if there is no corresponding ride system in California.

 

[wogwog]

20 pages in 20 hours. Way to wake the folks up.

 

[hopemax]

Some day a book is going to be written on this project ... and I don't mean a Disney coffee table one either.

Finally, one last shot at WDW management: you expect people to book lunches six months ahead of time and attractions 60 days out, yet you are opening a brand new show at DAK, which people will need to reserve, and you refuse to provide operating hours or showtimes one month out. Yup, stay classy WDW.

I've been of the opinion, that 40 years from now (maybe sooner, given Shanghai and the apparent sacrifice of domestic park ops to attempt to save it) The Walt Disney Company is going to be the case-study that all the business schools will be using. There won't be A book, there will be dozens of books. It's so beloved and admired in business circles, that the hand wringing, and the wails of "how did this happen!" will be so loud that everyone will need to write about it. And they will be shocked, shocked! While ignoring everything they overlooked AS it was happening. I've also thought that the forum people with sources should have started writing that book already. Or at least the outline, and sourced the heck out of it. Everyone seems to be self-publishing one Disney book after another, these days. Have it all ready to go, when the day of reckoning comes.

As to the 2nd point. CM blockout dates for May at WDW still aren't posted either.

Sorry, for not responding more to the Shanghai stuff, but I think everyone is so gob-smacked about the domestic news, and the reset it requires your brain and your heart to make (even if you thought Burbank/TDA/TDO were a disaster), that it's hard to process anything else. Kind of like how they frame major character deaths. They first hold on that shot of the victim, as the life slips away. It takes a few moments before they pan back up to show who (or what) caused it.

 

[LAKid53]

There is no coaster in California.

So what is this?

 

[JUFL2019]

This is about Walt Disney World because of a desire to split costs. There is no cost splitting if there is no corresponding ride system in California.

The post you were responding to had nothing to do with any of that. They simply stated that a retheme of rock 'n' roller coaster would be better.

Wouldn't a GotG retheme of Rock 'n' Roller Coaster still be cheaper, quicker and significantly better received?

 

[lazyboy97o]

So what is this?

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Not where Disney wants their Marvel land.

The post you were responding to had nothing to do with any of that. They simply stated that a retheme of rock 'n' roller coaster would be better.

And it wouldn't be cheaper because there is no cost splitting...

 

[Nemo14]

I haven't made it through the first 5 pages of this thread yet and already I'm seething. I know letter-writing probably won't make the slightest difference, but I'm working on mine now. @WDW1974 or @Lee or anyone else who may know, could you please post addresses again? Thanks!

 

[Oriolesmagic]

The post you were responding to had nothing to do with any of that. They simply stated that a retheme of rock 'n' roller coaster would be better.

This is correct. I'm saying even with splitting the cost between Anaheim and Orlando, retheming RnRC would still be a cheaper and, IMO, a better alternative to the extensive work that would need to be done on Tower of Terror.

 

[Cesar R M]

It is generally believed that Guardians would be ok. It seems pretty clear the Universal isn't looking to get ride of Marvel so maybe a deal was cut to allow some off limits characters to be used at WDW.

what if they did an swap? WDW gets to use some characters and Uni gets to use the revamped cinematic or actual marvel versions (not the older ones that Uni are using right now) ?

 

[LAKid53]

Not where Disney wants their Marvel land.

Then be more specific. Technically, Paradise Pier is in California, both the state and park.....

 

[FigmentJedi]

This is correct. I'm saying even with splitting the cost between Anaheim and Orlando, retheming RnRC would still be a cheaper and, IMO, a better alternative to the extensive work that would need to be done on Tower of Terror.

You could even produce the projected elements for both overlays in a single shooting block that way.

 

[Cesar R M]

I had I heard a plausible rumor about guardians of the galaxy about six or nine months ago… And that's all I have.

I'm extremely ok with this!

 

[JUFL2019]

Not where Disney wants their Marvel land.


And it wouldn't be cheaper because there is no cost splitting...

still irrelevant to the specific conversation being had, but I digress because I don't want this to happen regardless(Although I wouldn't mind the rock n re-theme)

 

[lazyboy97o]

This is correct. I'm saying even with splitting the cost between Anaheim and Orlando, retheming RnRC would still be a cheaper and, IMO, a better alternative to the extensive work that would need to be done on Tower of Terror.

It wouldn't be cheaper because you'd have two completely different projects.

 

[MuteSuperstar]

Aside from the horrible, ridiculous ToT idea (and I'm not even a big fan of the ride)....these two nuggets made me just as angry. This stuff is just infuriating. And it's indefensible by anyone except the usual Wall Street/corporate robber baron bootlickers. Sell your "Duh, Disney is a business" claptrap somewhere else.

The budget cuts continue at WDW (and DL) to make up for the overspending that is happening in China. Chefs are being told to buy cheaper ingredients and plate the food differently so smaller portions can be served, all while prices rise

From a friend in the know:

"The American parks have been asked to cut labor and expenses by double digit percentages in order to help pad the bottom line of the Parks & Resorts division while Shanghai slurps up huge amounts of labor, captial and free cash flow to get the park open on time and without too much embarassment. [WDW and DLR] are now directly subsidizing the Chinese Communist Party to get the Shanghai property barely able to open on time by June. Can you imagine what the vehemently anti-Communist and pro-American Walt would have thought of that?"

 

[LAKid53]

20 pages in 20 hours. Way to wake the folks up.

Yeah @WDW1974, way to ruin a beautiful Sunday afternoon in Florida.

 

[Cesar R M]

Yes. Can you believe it!??!? The Weatherman flexed his giant ... um ... muscles and UNI quivered and he traded Brent Musburger to NBC-UNI for the rights to all the Marvel characters. All of the twits were so right. All bow down to BOB!!!


OK, not really, but the thread subject still may well be true, my friends (and assorted crazies who can't quit me.)

Did that get your attention? Good. That is my reason for being, after all. At least that's what I hear frauds, addicts and con men say.

While Bob Iger lamented at the recent shareholders meeting in Chicago that TWDC would likely never be able to use its stable of Marvel characters (or the ones everyone knows and cares about) at its ATM in the swamps, there is one major exception that every fanboi sleeping in his Hulk boxers knows about.

Yup. I am talking about the characters from the second best Marvel film -- behind Deadpool, which doesn't count because it's not controlled by The Weatherman and not part of something called The Marvel Cinematic Universe -- namely The Guardians of the Galaxy.

Well, if current plans (and they are subject to change, but accurate as of this posting and that is all I can ever offer) follow through, sometime in either 2017 or 2018 you will get to experience a true GotG E-Ticket at The Corpse of The Disney-MGM Studios. Fast construction timeline you say. Or the Spirit is smoking on some bad Kissimmee weed you say?

Nope. Welcome to The Guardians of the Galaxy Tower of Terror. Yes. Really. Yes, Disney wants to destroy (or make over depending on how you look at it) one of its high points of creative product in the last 25 years to tie it to a BRAND that it can't even use to advertise and promote, in Florida that is.

You see, like almost everything these days, the genesis of this project is in Anaheim where ToT isn't an anchor of a park (DCA), just part of its menu of offerings. A park that can take full advantage of The Weatherman's acquisition spree (the only thing that marks his tenure as head of the world's largest entertainment company) and is planning a major Marvel addition right next door to an old hotel on Hollywood's dark side. WDI has pushed this concept heavily and TDA wants to do it badly.

Having to license The Twilight Zone IP from CBS, IP that most people not born prior to 1980 have little if any knowledge of -- just makes it even more attractive.

Let's forget that this is one of the best attractions Disney has ever built. We do have toon characters in Small World and Jack Sparrow soon to be in every Pirates attraction worldwide, so shilling IP by changing classic attractions isn't something Disney is afraid to do.

They want to market it as DL's 'BIG, NEW THING' for 2017 and the first of many new major Marvel attractions in DCA (and other parks not located in the Florida swamps) before The Star Wars Experience (oops, did I name drop prematurely? Happens with age!) debuts in DL in 12/18 . If they have their way, the current Anaheim ToT will close around the first oft the year and reopen before summer with an entirely new GotG based show, still (somehow I am told) centered on a haunted hotel from the 1930s. How? Who knows? Stitch and Buzz Lightyear belong in Tomorrowland, right?

The hitch right now is, naturally, WDW. They are interested in this, but they see it more as a temporary overlay to draw people into their moribund Studios park (the one they actively engage in deceptive advertising in because telling people that the real Star Wars stuff won't arrive before 2020-21 probably wouldn't be good for business). They (again naturally) are looking to cut the budget and the timeline because shutting the ToT next January might just finally be the straw that breaks the camel's back (hell, even 1-2 lifestylers might tell people to not visit for more than half a day out of their 11 day on property MAGICal $11,000 WDW vacations ). At DCA, this will be the gateway to Marvel BRAND Land and has to look and act the part. TDO is whining about money and downtime (they will soon count restrooms and ODV carts and Marsha the special needs CM at The ABC Commissary that thinks she does a great Daisy Duck impression as attractions).

But right now it looks like this has the momentum needed to happen on BOTH coasts provided TDO is willing to shoulder the costs and realize this will be a permanent change, not a summer marketing deal.

And, no, this means nothing at all regarding other Marvel IP ... and, no, I don't think UNI cares one way or the other.

In percentage of reality to fake..
How high you think this "rumor" of TOT makeover is? 50%? 90%?
And why would the hell they gutter one of the most beloved and special attractions? are they mad?
How the hell would the whole thing fit with Guardians of the Galaxy? the part where the Guardians get in to the "prison"control tower and escape using the boosters thanks to Rocket's genius?