aw14
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So stricter laws will change this? How? Laws are for those that follow them. Just curious how many criminals follow the law?
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Man caught trying to enter Magic Kingdom with gun
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so he shows you proof that stricter gun laws( not bans ) lessen the amount of rampage killings and you are asking him how stricter laws are going to lessen rampage killings ??? just so i am clear on your question
aw14
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He shows that, and yet no one mentions munichs gun laws and their mass shootings. Just a recent shooting and far stricter laws. Hmmm.....
Problem is ..there is no evidence that "strict" laws have an impact. Criminals will get guns regardless. Arguments like this are short sighted.
Matthew
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I pointed out that the stats only covered upto 2013... Which is why recent events weren't covered.
there is an argument for stricter gun laws as stricter laws makes it harder to get guns... I don't even get why the US wont allow expanded background checks on people!
The strictest laws are in the UK we are probably second only to Japan in the world for strictness but we've had some incidents... Not saying strict laws will stamp out gun crime because you are right criminals will always find away but the idea is to make that way as hard as possible so that the number that do find a way is reduced.
He and i never stated that they stop all gun crime but stricter laws do lessen gun crime .
As per june there had been 133 mass shootings in the USA in 2016
to prove that stricter laws have no effect there would need to be approx 32 mass shootings in Germany in the same time frame
There has been 3
G00fyDad
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Stricter laws are designed to prevent the proliferation of weapons on the streets and an attempt to keep them out of the hands of those that should not own one. Does this work well? No. Does that mean that we should do nothing and just let people have any kind of weapon they want and carry that weapon anywhere they want? No. The government HAS to do something. Supporters of the Second Amendment are actually in two groups. Group 1- (a group I fall into) Understands the Second Amendment and feels that people have a right to own a firearm if they choose. However, that firearm should not be a belt-fed M-60. The regular civilian does not need that. We don't care what your reason. We are not fighting a war on US soil. You don't need it. Group 2 - These Second Amendment supporters twist the truth, stretch the definition of the Second Amendment and interpret it to mean what they want it to mean in order to justify their stance on the subject. These people are usually swayed by the NRA that does not care what the government says about weapons. They want what they want and how they want it and they want it now. This group feels that they ought to be able to carry around a couple of fully automatic machine guns, 3 or 4 pistols, and a shotgun and the government just needs to shut-up about it. Check out the pictures below and tell me if you feel safer with these idiots carrying these around? (and be honest) That's right, you wouldn't. People who feel the need to do this are just looking for attention and trying to be the biggest bad*** on the block. They are also the loudest when it comes to "Obamma's commin to take my guns away from me!".
Gun laws are needed simply because society is changing. We no longer carry musket loaders. Have legislation that restricts that sale of weapons to those that should not have it is very welcome by most people. The other side of that problem is getting the guns off the streets so criminals have a smaller (albeit not much more difficult) chance of getting a gun to use illegally. The NRA would like you to think that the government is trying to take your Second Amendment rights away. Trump even said those exact words. That is false. The last peice of legislation I remember reading about placed restrictions on gun sales at conventions and gun meets. Not exactly rolling down the street in tanks coming for your guns.
draybook
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We don't have a gun problem. We have a problem where criminals don't regard the laws in place and when sentenced they get slaps on the wrists.
And i rest my case
Matthew
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When a toddler shoots his mom from the back seat of a car... You have a gun problem mate.
G00fyDad
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Exactly. We don't have a gun problem. We have an idiot problem.
G00fyDad
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No. That is a parenting problem. How did the child get that legally owned firearm? I doubt the toddler is running with a gang and decided to pop his mom-mom cause she didn't get him a toy.
No that is a gun control problem. If the gun was stored correctly or transported in a more appropriate manner than just "in the glovebox" for example and not loaded then no problem.
Matthew
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Clearly he doesn't but... The fact guns are so readily available make it possible for things like this to happen. Anybody can own a gun anybody can be a parent... The people who aren't suitable parents shouldn't be suitable to have a gun if you catch my drift.
In this case I believe however the mother wasn't aware the gun was in the car as it wasn't her car or something like that.
aw14
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Couldn't agree more. Stricter gun laws won't get rid of morons.
Matthew
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It would help stop the morons having guns
G00fyDad
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No. Its a parenting problem. That parent wasn't carrying an illegal firearm. She wasn't in a gang. She just stowed the firearm in an inappropriate place. That is a parenting failure. It has NOTHING to do with gun rights, gun laws, or gun issues (Other than the fact that she was shot with one.) Would you say that it was a vehicle control issue if the toddler got behind the wheel of the car and rolled it into the mother killing her. No. At least I would hope not.
G00fyDad
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Kman
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respectfully disagree...in the first six months the US had 159 mass shootings (not to mention all other events). This is typical if you look at past history. The US has on average about 1 mass shooting per day every year. No other developed nation has this problem. Yes there there are other mass shootings around the world but not even close to this extent. As an example, in the first six months Canada had one and Europe had none. More than 200 people were killed in mass shootings in the first 6 months in the US not to mention the hundreds of others that were injured. Couple this together with the 30,000+ deaths by firearms every year and you have a significant problem. I agree that the criminal element is huge and of course there are suicides, police shootings and accidents (like the 4 year who shot his mom in the back in her car) but to simply ignore this and say it's all hardened criminals committing the shootings is simply not correct. There are plenty of "normal" people who have breakdowns or whatever and end up inflicting all kinds of damage because of easy access to weapons. The fact is the US stands alone as it pertains to gun violence. The ratios when compared to other nations is not even close. We vacation and visit the States often and love the people and what your country has to offer but it is becoming increasingly clear that there is a significant social/criminal/racial problem that is playing itself out using guns. I know many of us in Canada, and elsewhere, wish that the situation could be addressed rationally by people on all sides. Until then...back to Disney
Kevin_W
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I know this thread has gone way off base since the original post. But I just wanted to comment on this - we just got back from France where we spent a few days at DLP. Everyone goes through a metal detector and all bags go through a scanner. Now, crowds were lower than at MK, but this procedure still took less time than the average bag check in WDW. So I think it is feasible.