Man caught trying to enter Magic Kingdom with gun

[Disneyhead'71]

Within 5 miles of my house, there are twice as many places to buy guns than fresh vegetables.

Go 'merica!

 

[aw14]

respectfully disagree...in the first six months the US had 159 mass shootings (not to mention all other events). This is typical if you look at past history. The US has on average about 1 mass shooting per day every year. No other developed nation has this problem. Yes there there are other mass shootings around the world but not even close to this extent. As an example, in the first six months Canada had one and Europe had none. More than 200 people were killed in mass shootings in the first 6 months in the US not to mention the hundreds of others that were injured. Couple this together with the 30,000+ deaths by firearms every year and you have a significant problem. I agree that the criminal element is huge and of course there are suicides, police shootings and accidents (like the 4 year who shot his mom in the back in her car) but to simply ignore this and say it's all hardened criminals committing the shootings is simply not correct. There are plenty of "normal" people who have breakdowns or whatever and end up inflicting all kinds of damage because of easy access to weapons. The fact is the US stands alone as it pertains to gun violence. The ratios when compared to other nations is not even close. We vacation and visit the States often and love the people and what your country has to offer but it is becoming increasingly clear that there is a significant social/criminal/racial problem that is playing itself out using guns. I know many of us in Canada, and elsewhere, wish that the situation could be addressed rationally by people on all sides. Until then...back to Disney

I bolded part of your comment, as this is the crux of the problem and it is well said.

This is the problem and stricter gun laws/ban wont change it. It will make people go to the "black market". People will still find a way to get them.

Again, I stand by my earlier comment that we do not want an unarmed populace.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

No. Its a parenting problem. That parent wasn't carrying an illegal firearm. She wasn't in a gang. She just stowed the firearm in an inappropriate place. That is a parenting failure. It has NOTHING to do with gun rights, gun laws, or gun issues (Other than the fact that she was shot with one.) Would you say that it was a vehicle control issue if the toddler got behind the wheel of the car and rolled it into the mother killing her. No. At least I would hope not.

The fact that she could carry the loaded firearm legally is a gun control problem. Don't swing it around on the parents. You don't get these cases in other countries because the guns aren't there . Doesn't mean the parents in other countries are any better.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

I bolded part of your comment, as this is the crux of the problem and it is well said.

This is the problem and stricter gun laws/ban wont change it. It will make people go to the "black market". People will still find a way to get them.

Again, I stand by my earlier comment that we do not want an unarmed populace.

Not having a go but can you explain to me why you want an armed populace . Not fishing just genuinly wondering ?

 

[ABQ]

Within 5 miles of my house, there are twice as many places to buy guns than fresh vegetables.

Go 'merica!

Obviously congress needs to loosen the vegetable control laws, they are far too restrictive.

 

[Matthew]

You are talking about a psychiatric issue. Not gun control.

I'm talking about both.

 

[Matthew]

Here's a simple test folks.


See if you can spot the problem in this picture....
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I call poor parenting by somebody too irresponsible to own guns... Therefore tighter laws might stop him or her owning one let alone 5.

 

[G00fyDad]

I call poor parenting by somebody too irresponsible to own guns... Therefore tighter laws might stop him or her owning one let alone 5.

How? Are they going to give him/her a psych eval? Maybe not allowing someone to own a gun if they are under investigation by Child Protective Services. But that would be a nightmare to police.

 

[G00fyDad]

I'm talking about both.

No. You're talking about parenting issues and trying to say it is a gun control issue. If I leave my sidearm on the couch and my 2 year old grandson gets it then I am a moron and a bad grandparent. It doesn't mean that there was ever a gun control issue raised. You will not be able to screen for idiots when screening for a gun permit.

 

[Matthew]

How? Are they going to give him/her a psych eval? Maybe not allowing someone to own a gun if they are under investigation by Child Protective Services. But that would be a nightmare to police.

Perhaps you should implement a basic psych evaluation.. Or at the very least expanded background checks.

 

[G00fyDad]

The fact that she could carry the loaded firearm legally is a gun control problem. Don't swing it around on the parents. You don't get these cases in other countries because the guns aren't there . Doesn't mean the parents in other countries are any better.

No. The gun control is NOT an issue with that parent. She legally obtained the gun and permit. It was a sidearm and not an anti-aircraft weapon. No gun control issue. Is she an idiot for leaving the gun unattended? Yes. The fact that you are trying to twist that into a gun control issue is sad and just makes the case of those of us in favor of the Second Amendment AND gun control harder to make. We have gun freaks on one side screaming that the government is trying to get their guns and abolish the Second Amendment, and we have those like you who think that any issue that happens with a gun is a gun control issue and a reason to destroy ALL firearms.

 

[G00fyDad]

Perhaps you should implement a basic psych evaluation.. Or at the very least expanded background checks.

A psych eval is pushing basic privacy rights, but I get what you mean. However, that would NEVER fly in the US. There would be all out Civil War 2 if that happened. And what would expanded background checks show you? There is not an IQ test with those checks.

 

[Matthew]

No. You're talking about parenting issues and trying to say it is a gun control issue. If I leave my sidearm on the couch and my 2 year old grandson gets it then I am a moron and a bad grandparent. It doesn't mean that there was ever a gun control issue raised. You will not be able to screen for idiots when screening for a gun permit.

No I assure you I'm talking about both. But my opinion is clearly different to your so let's leave it there before we start comparing US/UK approaches to raising children lol

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

No. The gun control is NOT an issue with that parent. She legally obtained the gun and permit. It was a sidearm and not an anti-aircraft weapon. No gun control issue. Is she an idiot for leaving the gun unattended? Yes. The fact that you are trying to twist that into a gun control issue is sad and just makes the case of those of us in favor of the Second Amendment AND gun control harder to make. We have gun freaks on one side screaming that the government is trying to get their guns and abolish the Second Amendment, and we have those like you who think that any issue that happens with a gun is a gun control issue and a reason to destroy ALL firearms.

I don't believe all firearms should be destroyed. I have said that previously here. There are always anywhere between 1-4 firearms in the house i live in . So i am not against firearms. people who refuse to acnowledge that America has a gun issue (whether stricter laws or trying to deglamourise/educate people )are the problem

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Perhaps you should implement a basic psych evaluation.. Or at the very least expanded background checks.

The problem with some of those things is that they're very expensive and the fees are passed on to the purchaser. It costs several hundred dollars to obtain the necessary fees and permits to buy a firearm in many states already. What that effectively does is it limits the right to keep and bear arms to the wealthy. People get all outraged when it's suggested that everyone should have to have a photo ID to be able to vote on the basis that some people can't afford a (free) ID, but they're okay with essentially banning the less well-off from owning a weapon. That ain't right.

 

[G00fyDad]

I don't believe all firearms should be destroyed. I have said that previously here. There are always anywhere between 1-4 firearms in the house i live in . So i am not against firearms. people who refuse to acnowledge that America has a gun issue (whether stricter laws or trying to deglamourise/educate people )are the problem

I'm not saying there is not a problem. I have actually made it quite clear that I know there is one. How it is handled is the issue.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

I'm not saying there is not a problem. I have actually made it quite clear that I know there is one. How it is handled is the issue.

Fair enough

 

[Goofyernmost]

I don't believe all firearms should be destroyed. I have said that previously here. There are always anywhere between 1-4 firearms in the house i live in . So i am not against firearms. people who refuse to acnowledge that America has a gun issue (whether stricter laws or trying to deglamourise/educate people )are the problem

I have to ask... if you have 1 - 4 firearms in the house and no one has gone out an killed anyone with them, why is it a gun control problem? It's a people control problem, it's a mental health treatment problem. Guns do not pull their own trigger.

The hyperbole of ending of the 2nd amendment fear is totally one of the most ignorant arguments ever used for anything. Any amendment to the constitution cannot just be "spoken" out of existence. Presidents, congressmen, etc. cannot just pass a law denying the 2nd amendment. It has to have a national forum. The majority of the states individually, by the public, have to un-ratify the amendment. It cannot be taken away by words. It is a long process and no one has even suggested that it be removed. That is a scare tactic brought in by politicians in an attempt to scare the public into voting for them. There is no basis of fact to it. Gun control does not mean take away guns. It is more of an idea to restrict via common sense the use of military weapons, automatic and semi-automatic weapons, and needing to verify, in some form the mental ability of a person to have a weapon that is designed specifically to kill. That would mean that those that are responsible could have them without us fearing that they will go out and shoot up a movie house. It is simple common sense. NRA is doing everything it can to increase the publics danger by not recognizing the importance of trying to put the reach of guns out of range of those that are going to be a threat to society.

In other words, if you are stable and responsible, you will still have your guns. If you are not, then frankly the intellect that I possess, no matter how limited that may be, says I don't want you to have one since you are only wanting to harm others with that privilege.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

I have to ask... if you have 1 - 4 firearms in the house and no one has gone out an killed anyone with them, why is it a gun control problem? It's a people control problem, it's a mental health treatment problem. Guns do not pull their own trigger.

The hyperbole of ending of the 2nd amendment fear is totally one of the most ignorant arguments ever used for anything. Any amendment to the constitution cannot just be "spoken" out of existence. Presidents, congressmen, etc. cannot just pass a law denying the 2nd amendment. It has to have a national forum. The majority of the states individually, by the public, have to un-ratify the amendment. It cannot be taken away by words. It is a long process and no one has even suggested that it be removed. That is a scare tactic brought in by politicians in an attempt to scare the public into voting for them. There is no basis of fact to it. Gun control does not mean take away guns. It is more of an idea to restrict via common sense the use of military weapons, automatic and semi-automatic weapons, and needing to verify, in some form the mental ability of a person to have a weapon that is designed specifically to kill. That would mean that those that are responsible could have them without us fearing that they will go out and shoot up a movie house. It is simple common sense. NRA is doing everything it can to increase the publics danger by not recognizing the importance of trying to put the reach of guns out of range of those that are going to be a threat to society.

In other words, if you are stable and responsible, you will still have your guns. If you are not, then frankly the intellect that I possess, no matter how limited that may be, says I don't want you to have one since you are only wanting to harm others with that privilege.

Don't understand your question sir ?

 

[draybook]

respectfully disagree...in the first six months the US had 159 mass shootings (not to mention all other events). This is typical if you look at past history. The US has on average about 1 mass shooting per day every year. No other developed nation has this problem. Yes there there are other mass shootings around the world but not even close to this extent. As an example, in the first six months Canada had one and Europe had none. More than 200 people were killed in mass shootings in the first 6 months in the US not to mention the hundreds of others that were injured. Couple this together with the 30,000+ deaths by firearms every year and you have a significant problem. I agree that the criminal element is huge and of course there are suicides, police shootings and accidents (like the 4 year who shot his mom in the back in her car) but to simply ignore this and say it's all hardened criminals committing the shootings is simply not correct. There are plenty of "normal" people who have breakdowns or whatever and end up inflicting all kinds of damage because of easy access to weapons. The fact is the US stands alone as it pertains to gun violence. The ratios when compared to other nations is not even close. We vacation and visit the States often and love the people and what your country has to offer but it is becoming increasingly clear that there is a significant social/criminal/racial problem that is playing itself out using guns. I know many of us in Canada, and elsewhere, wish that the situation could be addressed rationally by people on all sides. Until then...back to Disney

Comparing us to other countries is ridiculous unless every aspect of our cultures is the same.