Major 2015 Pirates of the Caribbean Refurbishment Watch/Rumor.

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xstech25

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Animaniac93-98 said:
It's a big building. What if they were to drain the water and rebuild the flume, or other parts of the warehouse-like structure where the ride takes place? What if they wanted to repaint all the sets? Or modify the queue or load area? All of that would take time to do.
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That's pretty much what I am expecting them to do.
 
marni1971

marni1971

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xstech25 said:
I like all the expert opinions on here, it's hilarious that people are suggesting that a 1 year...some even 2 year refurb is needed. What do you want them to do, bulldoze the entire building and rebuild it? There is no reason major work can't be done in 4 months, the ride is going to be closed with nothing being visible to visitors, they can work 24/7.
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Some people know what they're talking about.

Funnily, it is getting close to a starting again stage.
 
Bocabear

Bocabear

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Also they probably got a memo from marketing that they can't sell a Pirate and Princess Party without Pirates Of The Caribbean in working order....so just patch it up...
 
JediMasterMatt

JediMasterMatt

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JohnD said:
So now POTC is now going to be open while I'm at WDW this May 12-18. Should I just hate on it out of spite? No, it's an opportunity for me to ride again for nostalgia reasons knowing that the needed refurb was delayed.

No one says you have to, though. If you don't want to then that's your decision but please don't deride those who do (like saying guest standards have declined). You can't read their minds.
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Please understand that I'm not picking on you for this - I'm just responding to your post; but, there is one very, very big difference between you being happy it's open versus a typical park guest. You are a part of an online community of Disney Parks fans. Your love of the resort was so strong that you found this website, you created an account, read at least a portion of this thread, and chose to respond... that makes you many steps removed from a typical Disney Parks guest. You are much further along the Pixie Dust scale than someone who was in town and decided to swing by the Magic Kingdom.

The resort that you enjoy currently has an attraction that is in need of a many months of refurbishment to return it to some semblance of the original intent of the attraction. The same resort told the project managers that wanted a year to get the work completed, that they could start in May and now they are being told June. What do you think that will mean to the quantity of work that will be completed and quality they will be able to achieve? Especially when they originally asked for it to reopen next year.

So, I don't think any guest of the resort on any of the days the "delayed started of the refurb" be upset the ride is open. I'm just saying that any fan of the resort in this community should be aware of the consequences of this sort of action. Shave a month of needed work here and a there and then next thing you know you'll have concrete falling off of Splash Mountain and into the loading zone or branches from the Tree of Life, let alone non functional projections or animatronics in Pirates. After all, the last time an attraction in the Magic Kingdom got a requested extended multi-month reduced down to just a few months, it reopened to flawless operations - it's not like the freshly cut-short refurb in Space Mountain hasn't required and additional trim brakes or emergency refurbs to repair busted track welds.
 
JohnD

JohnD

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JediMasterMatt said:
Please understand that I'm not picking on you for this - I'm just responding to your post; but, there is one very, very big difference between you being happy it's open versus a typical park guest. You are a part of an online community of Disney Parks fans. Your love of the resort was so strong that you found this website, you created an account, read at least a portion of this thread, and chose to respond... that makes you many steps removed from a typical Disney Parks guest. You are much further along the Pixie Dust scale than someone who was in town and decided to swing by the Magic Kingdom.

The resort that you enjoy currently has an attraction that is in need of a many months of refurbishment to return it to some semblance of the original intent of the attraction. The same resort told the project managers that wanted a year to get the work completed, that they could start in May and now they are being told June. What do you think that will mean to the quantity of work that will be completed and quality they will be able to achieve? Especially when they originally asked for it to reopen next year.

So, I don't think any guest of the resort on any of the days the "delayed started of the refurb" be upset the ride is open. I'm just saying that any fan of the resort in this community should be aware of the consequences of this sort of action. Shave a month of needed work here and a there and then next thing you know you'll have concrete falling off of Splash Mountain and into the loading zone or branches from the Tree of Life, let alone non functional projections or animatronics in Pirates. After all, the last time an attraction in the Magic Kingdom got a requested extended multi-month reduced down to just a few months, it reopened to flawless operations - it's not like the freshly cut-short refurb in Space Mountain hasn't required and additional trim brakes or emergency refurbs to repair busted track welds.
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Appreciate your point of view. Maybe I've been selective in my posting creating the perception that I've been here a very short time. I'm not offended. But I've been on this forum since 2013. Your assumption is correct, though. I found this forum while planning my September-October 2013 trip. I've been on the forum since.

I would suggest, though, that "a typical park guest" is a family's first trip, or the first trip of a child of a family that has already been there. Could be a wedding, anniversary, or any other special occasion. They have no perception of the need for refurbishment. Why should they? They just want to ride if it's open.

Now help me out with your next points because they appear to be in conflict. On the one hand, you seem to indicate the WDW is creating a culture of cutting corners because next thing you know concrete will fall off Splash Mountain. But then you point out another attraction (don't know which one) that had an extended refurb request cut down to a few months and re-opened with flawless operations. You appear to have negated your first point. Or did I miss something?
 
JediMasterMatt

JediMasterMatt

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JohnD said:
Appreciate your point of view. Maybe I've been selective in my posting creating the perception that I've been here a very short time. I'm not offended. But I've been on this forum since 2013. Your assumption is correct, though. I found this forum while planning my September-October 2013 trip. I've been on the forum since.

I would suggest, though, that "a typical park guest" is a family's first trip, or the first trip of a child of a family that has already been there. Could be a wedding, anniversary, or any other special occasion. They have no perception of the need for refurbishment. Why should they? They just want to ride if it's open.

Now help me out with your next points because they appear to be in conflict. On the one hand, you seem to indicate the WDW is creating a culture of cutting corners because next thing you know concrete will fall off Splash Mountain. But then you point out another attraction (don't know which one) that had an extended refurb request cut down to a few months and re-opened with flawless operations. You appear to have negated your first point. Or did I miss something?
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No worries. The Space Mountain refurb I was referring to was in 2008 when the Imagineer's and Maintenance wanted 2 years to gut the attraction and redo it like they did with Disneyland's Space Mountain. They were told no and got 8 months and we now have an attraction that is in dire need of replacement due to stress fractures. They've had to put trim brakes on the track to slow the ride down to keep it running and have need to take the ride offline for a few days to do emergency welding. My post was sarcasm.

This is the same organization that let concrete fall off Splash Mountain and put up netting over the load area because they didn't want to close the ride to do repairs. The same that had branches fall off the Tree of Life and we still have paths and nets (last time I checked) that are off limits or haven't been taken down, instead of doing the required refurb needed there.

The Pirates you ride in June will be a diminished quality attraction for what was originally intended... which was already a reduced quality over the original; but, that is a different story for another day involving ambitious plans for a giant E-ticket called Thunder Mesa.

For every action there is a consequence. For WDW inaction is the biggest consequence when it comes to refurbs and the price we pay is the same ever increasing cost of a ticket for less and less quality.
 
wdwgreek

wdwgreek

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How much can they really get done in a three month referb? Pirates needs lots for time for TLC, the flume needs help, that drop is plain painful! Also the AA's look very very ragged! When I rode it in March, I don't even think all the effects were working.
 
JohnD

JohnD

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JediMasterMatt said:
No worries. The Space Mountain refurb I was referring to was in 2008 when the Imagineer's and Maintenance wanted 2 years to gut the attraction and redo it like they did with Disneyland's Space Mountain. They were told no and got 8 months and we now have an attraction that is in dire need of replacement due to stress fractures. They've had to put trim brakes on the track to slow the ride down to keep it running and have need to take the ride offline for a few days to do emergency welding. My post was sarcasm.

This is the same organization that let concrete fall off Splash Mountain and put up netting over the load area because they didn't want to close the ride to do repairs. The same that had branches fall off the Tree of Life and we still have paths and nets (last time I checked) that are off limits or haven't been taken down, instead of doing the required refurb needed there.

The Pirates you ride in June will be a diminished quality attraction for what was originally intended... which was already a reduced quality over the original; but, that is a different story for another day involving ambitious plans for a giant E-ticket called Thunder Mesa.

For every action there is a consequence. For WDW inaction is the biggest consequence when it comes to refurbs and the price we pay is the same ever increasing cost of a ticket for less and less quality.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
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Admiral01

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Nmoody1 said:
they COULD work 24/7... they probably wont. that costs $$$

On a side note, its rumoured that TDL is buldozing Small World and rebuilding it on the other side of Fantasyland. But there really is no comparisson between what TDL do and what the US parks and resorts do.
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That whole part of Tokyo Disneyland needs to be bulldozed and rebuilt. TDL's Fantasyland was incredibly unimpressive, especially when compared to all parts of DisneySea.

But yes, that is what I understand they are doing. Moving the entire ride to a brand new building to make room for a new attraction where IASW currently is.
 
JohnD

JohnD

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Pirates is coming back up as a FP+ choice for my May 12-18 trip. Assume it's up until the new refurb start date.
 
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Doug1985

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It's a double edged sword. People like me and a few others here paid top dollar to go to Disney world for a week. Would I be upset to walk past the attracton and not get a chance to experience it (again for me, and a first time for others)? Absolutely. Alot of other people that don't visit forums and keep up with all things disney, are going there under the assumption it's open and it would upset anyone. However if the closure didn't affect me (or the others) I wouldn't care at all.

It's easy for (most of) the people here to sit behind their computers and pretend to know how to run disney world. I'm sure there is a reason for what they are doing. It's only a couple weeks, maybe it was a scheduling conflict and the man power is needed somewhere else in the park.

The bottom line is this: 1) If your trip is affected by the scheduling change, you're going to be happy that it's open, I don't care who you are. (Unless your an annual pass holder that can take a trip anytime you want) & 2)If you trip is not affected by the scheduling change your going to whine and cry about how disney is pushing it back and it needs more time blah blah blah.

People build houses in the same amount of time. I don't see replacing boats, AAs, and some paint and bulbs as a big deal. Sorry but but I work in a business where time is money, literally. I know what big things can be done in such a short amount of time when it comes to getting things done for money.
 
TheGhostWithTheMost

TheGhostWithTheMost

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xstech25 said:
I like all the expert opinions on here, it's hilarious that people are suggesting that a 1 year...some even 2 year refurb is needed. What do you want them to do, bulldoze the entire building and rebuild it? There is no reason major work can't be done in 4 months, the ride is going to be closed with nothing being visible to visitors, they can work 24/7.
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marni1971 said:
Some people know what they're talking about.

Funnily, it is getting close to a starting again stage.
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That's what all of the higher up (and in the know) maintenance men/imagineers that I personally talked to thought as well. Some of us DO know what we're talking about. Some of us can't enjoy the parks anymore because we know so much about what we're talking about.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
xstech25 said:
I like all the expert opinions on here, it's hilarious that people are suggesting that a 1 year...some even 2 year refurb is needed. What do you want them to do, bulldoze the entire building and rebuild it? There is no reason major work can't be done in 4 months, the ride is going to be closed with nothing being visible to visitors, they can work 24/7.
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How long did it take to replace the flume for "it's a small world" at Disneyland?

Nmoody1 said:
they COULD work 24/7... they probably wont. that costs $$$

On a side note, its rumoured that TDL is buldozing Small World and rebuilding it on the other side of Fantasyland. But there really is no comparisson between what TDL do and what the US parks and resorts do.
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That's no rumor. It has been announced.
 
wdwfan757

wdwfan757

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JediMasterMatt said:
No worries. The Space Mountain refurb I was referring to was in 2008 when the Imagineer's and Maintenance wanted 2 years to gut the attraction and redo it like they did with Disneyland's Space Mountain. They were told no and got 8 months and we now have an attraction that is in dire need of replacement due to stress fractures. They've had to put trim brakes on the track to slow the ride down to keep it running and have need to take the ride offline for a few days to do emergency welding. My post was sarcasm.
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I'm not disagreeing with your points on the need to do sufficient maintenance, but 8 months is more than enough time than what they needed for space mountain. It took BGW about that much time to tear down big bad wolf and put verbolten, a coaster way more advanced than anything at WDW or universal for that matter, in it's place. My point is, that it's not about the amount of time they take, it's about what they do with it. There's no point in taking 8 months if you're not going to do 8 months worth of work. Length isnt a guarantee that they're going to do a decent job at all. They did better work on the animatronics in IASW in 10 days in December 2013 than they have in a lot of their "extended" refurbs.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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wdwfan757 said:
I'm not disagreeing with your points on the need to do sufficient maintenance, but 8 months is more than enough time than what they needed for space mountain. It took BGW about that much time to tear down big bad wolf and put verbolten, a coaster way more advanced than anything at WDW or universal for that matter, in it's place. My point is, that it's not about the amount of time they take, it's about what they do with it. There's no point in taking 8 months if you're not going to do 8 months worth of work. Length isnt a guarantee that they're going to do a decent job at all. They did better work on the animatronics in IASW in 10 days in December 2013 than they have in a lot of their "extended" refurbs.
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Then why did it take so long to replace Space Mountain at Disneyland? Replacing the track at a Space Mountain involves working inside the tight confines of a building, not out in the open.
 

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