Main Street U.S.A. hub redevelopment at the Magic Kingdom

[Next Big Thing]

If today's guests didn't want or respond to new eticket lands and expansions the wizarding world of harry potter wouldn't be a think would it? So I wouldn't put the blame solely on the clientele. And TDA does respond very much so to building better attractions and events for their guests so your point doesn't stick well there either. Now TDO is the only one that I have seen to be constantly underestimating guest demand for experiences.

TDA is just as slow lately. They coasted on the DCA Expansion and Disneyland being Disneyland for 3 years without adding pretty much anything to either park.

Disneyland is now getting many updates to rides, a new nighttime parade (copied from HKDL), and a new fireworks show. But just like everyone love to point out how MK hasn't added an E-ticket in forever, someone go ahead and name the last time Disneyland Park added one. Go ahead, try and think back. I'll help: Indiana Jones Adventure - March 5, 1995, 20 years ago.

Disneyland has been living on it's legacy as much, if not MORE than MK in recent history. I can't even think of too many C or D tickets added within that time either. Tomorrowland has gone way downhill, lost it's peoplemover (same year Indy opened), Innoventions was a disaster and is now a museum, the theatre is being used more to promote movies than anything good for the park, and of course the whole Rocket Rods fiasco.

The park brought back Captain EO, the park brought back Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln, it brought back the Submarine Voyage themed to Nemo, DCA premiered Cars Land with Luigi's Flying Tires, which was based on the old Flying Saucers ride system (there was a reason it closed the first time...). They keep bringing things back and updating classics, which is great, but additions, outside of the marvelous DCA redo, have been very hard to find.

 

[Sped2424]

TDA is just as slow lately. They coasted on the DCA Expansion and Disneyland being Disneyland for 3 years without adding pretty much anything to either park.

Disneyland is now getting many updates to rides, a new nighttime parade (copied from HKDL), and a new fireworks show. But just like everyone love to point out how MK hasn't added an E-ticket in forever, someone go ahead and name the last time Disneyland Park added one. Go ahead, try and think back. I'll help: Indiana Jones Adventure - March 5, 1995, 20 years ago.

Disneyland has been living on it's legacy as much, if not MORE than MK in recent history. I can't even think of too many C or D tickets added within that time either. Tomorrowland has gone way downhill, lost it's peoplemover (same year Indy opened), Innoventions was a disaster and is now a museum, the theatre is being used more to promote movies than anything good for the park, and of course the whole Rocket Rods fiasco.

The park brought back Captain EO, the park brought back Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln, it brought back the Submarine Voyage themed to Nemo, DCA premiered Cars Land with Luigi's Flying Tires, which was based on the old Flying Saucers ride system (there was a reason it closed the first time...). They keep bringing things back and updating classics, which is great, but additions, outside of the marvelous DCA redo, have been very hard to find.

Name the last E ticket added to Disney World. PERIOD. NOT just the Magic Kingdom. ALL of Disney World. 2007 expedition everest. Disneyland Resort had RSR in 2010. As for the last eticket the MK got it would be splash in 1992. You're right they haven't added many e or d tickets to the resort, but as a whole they have made a point of keeping more new offerings and reasons for guests to keep coming back. Whether it be new overlays, nighttime shows, shows, parades, etc. They as a whole care about updating their experiences far more than TDO does plain and simple, and for a resort as large as TDO that's embarrassing. As for all of your TDA compliments they can be added to ours, except double.

Tomorrowland loss of cohesion, Epcot's entire futureworld limping along, Hollywood still has a lack of things to do and needs a lot help, Animal still needs rides and attractions beyond Avatarland, Epcot's world showcase now starting to enter the point of no return. I am not saying Disneyland is not without it's issues as many you have listed are viable, but as a whole in terms of resorts TDO is the clear loser of the two in terms of slacking and growth tactics. And great they bank on nostalgia that's kind of what Disney is known for on both coasts and heavily so. But where as Disneyland capitalizes on that and creates new experiences for guests to come into that nostalgia (the 60th) Tdo will just release a new pin and call it a day because any effort beyond that is seen as a waste of time and money.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Name the last E ticket added to Disney World. PERIOD. NOT just the Magic Kingdom. ALL of Disney World. 2007 expedition everest. Disneyland Resort had RSR in 2010. As for the last eticket the MK got it would be splash in 1992. You're right they haven't added many e or d tickets to the resort, but as a whole they have made a point of keeping more new offerings and reasons for guests to keep coming back. Whether it be new overlays, nighttime shows, shows, parades, etc. They as a whole care about updating their experiences far more than TDO does plain and simple, and for a resort as large as TDO that's embarrassing. As for all of your TDA compliments they can be added to ours, except double.

Tomorrowland loss of cohesion, Epcot's entire futureworld limping along, Hollywood still has a lack of things to do and needs a lot help, Animal still needs rides and attractions beyond Avatarland, Epcot's world showcase now starting to enter the point of no return. I am not saying Disneyland is not without it's issues as many you have listed are viable, but as a whole in terms of resorts TDO is the clear loser of the two in terms of slacking and growth tactics. And great they bank on nostalgia that's kind of what Disney is known for on both coasts and heavily so. But where as Disneyland capitalizes on that and creates new experiences for guests to come into that nostalgia (the 60th) Tdo will just release a new pin and call it a day because any effort beyond that is seen as a waste of time and money.

I'm not trying to make this a WDW vs. DL thing, i'm trying to make it an equality thing. I feel like people (who likely have never been to DL) always turn to DL and say "why do they get everything" when really, they don't. They get different things than we get (RSR was 2012 btw).

I fully agree, DHS is a flaming mess, Epcot is stale or just sad in some cases and DAK is still underdeveloped. Adding to MK though, isn't going to do much for this whole capacity thing right now unless they add about 2-3 rides at once. And as We've noted, they've got much bigger fish to fry around the resort. I'll at least give them some credit with DAK right now though as they are doing a lot in terms of pathways, new exhibits/shows, Avatar, expanded Harambe, RoL, nighttime Safari and Tree of Life show. The park still needs expansion after that, but it's easily WDW's second best park imo once all of this is done.

And yes, at least Disneyland made it a point to update and keep it's classics looking good along with new nighttime entertainment for this year. If there's one thing WDW needs as a whole, it's new nighttime entertainment.

 

[Sped2424]

I'm not trying to make this a WDW vs. DL thing, i'm trying to make it an equality thing. I feel like people (who likely have never been to DL) always turn to DL and say "why do they get everything" when really, they don't. They get different things than we get (RSR was 2012 btw).

I fully agree, DHS is a flaming mess, Epcot is stale or just sad in some cases and DAK is still underdeveloped. Adding to MK though, isn't going to do much for this whole capacity thing right now unless they add about 2-3 rides at once. And as We've noted, they've got much bigger fish to fry around the resort. I'll at least give them some credit with DAK right now though as they are doing a lot in terms of pathways, new exhibits/shows, Avatar, expanded Harambe, RoL, nighttime Safari and Tree of Life show. The park still needs expansion after that, but it's easily WDW's second best park imo once all of this is done.

And yes, at least Disneyland made it a point to update and keep it's classics looking good along with new nighttime entertainment for this year. If there's one thing WDW needs as a whole, it's new nighttime entertainment.

Oh Disneyland gets get a lot but they aren't Tokyo for example. They are just the better of the two here I feel. But they aren't the gold standard of how theme parks should be run and grow, I'll give em silver . Again Tokyo is winning that by a mile. I am responding to that posters comments who rather dragged TDA down to our level, which as you said they have their problems but it's not the same level of problems that TDO has allowed I feel. If this was the late 90's/early 2000's it would be a different story. But as of today they are continuing their upswing, I hope D23 will showcase what's next for Disneyland (star wars), which according to many on here is something we won't get until sadly a few years later. And you're telling me, Fantasmic needs to be updated, I say a whole new night show for epcot is needed, and wishes as lovely as it is needs a new show as well. Plus we could bring the water pageant/parade outside the mk into the 21st century. THAT to me would be a nice anniversary gift. A new water pageant/parade.

 

[Next Big Thing]

Oh Disneyland gets get a lot but they aren't Tokyo for example. They are just the better of the two here I feel. But they aren't the gold standard of how theme parks should be run and grow, I'll give em silver . Again Tokyo is winning that by a mile. I am responding to that posters comments who rather dragged TDA down to our level, which as you said they have their problems but it's not the same level of problems that TDO has allowed I feel. If this was the late 90's/early 2000's it would be a different story. But as of today they are continuing their upswing, I hope D23 will showcase what's next for Disneyland (star wars), which according to many on here is something we won't get until sadly a few years later. And you're telling me, Fantasmic needs to be updated, I say a whole new night show for epcot is needed, and wishes as lovely as it is needs a new show as well. Plus we could bring the water pageant/parade outside the mk into the 21st century. THAT to me would be a nice anniversary gift. A new water pageant/parade.

The water pageant is the only thing I wouldn't mind them not touching. It has a certain charm to it as it is and i'd be afraid how an updated version would turn out.

 

[Sped2424]

The water pageant is the only thing I wouldn't mind them not touching. It has a certain charm to it as it is and i'd be afraid how an updated version would turn out.

nah an updated version could be astonishing if done right. As it is the same effect could be accomplished with 5 ipads on a couple of life rafts. I really feel that's something that could use a new score, effects, and otherwise.

 

[1023]

nah an updated version could be astonishing if done right. As it is the same effect could be accomplished with 5 ipads on a couple of life rafts. I really feel that's something that could use a new score, effects, and otherwise.

Or...You could get Light Magic!

*1023*

 

[Next Big Thing]

nah an updated version could be astonishing if done right. As it is the same effect could be accomplished with 5 ipads on a couple of life rafts. I really feel that's something that could use a new score, effects, and otherwise.

It's more likely the thing won't be able to run and it just suddenly disappears forever. EWP draws 0 people to WDW on it's own and even an updated version would be just a footnote in someone's trip (as it currently is really). TDO would see updating it as wasted money so I highly doubt it'll be updated anytime soon.

 

[marni1971]

With the numbers of people in that area every single day, it is a wonder that the horse can even walk.

That's why the horse is fenced in.

 

[marni1971]

Adding to MK though, isn't going to do much for this whole capacity thing right now unless they add about 2-3 rides at once. .

Very true. Though they could do that in a heartbeat if they wanted.

A better solution could be fix what's wrong with what they've got. Make the experience how it should be. Peter Pan, Space Mountain, Tomorrowland as a whole, Thundermountain.... and fully plus Pirates instead of trying to play catch up to 1973 standards.

 

[Goofyernmost]

That's why the horse is fenced in.

Not much room to run then is there.

 

[marni1971]

Not much room to run then is there.

Plenty enough to go faster than a trot.

 

[TTA94]

WDW does need new nighttime entertainment. For MK one thing that needs to change is Celebrate The Magic needs to be added TO Wishes (or a new show). DL is introducing projections to Main Street which MK should be doing!
Then there's MSEP... TDO should be embarrassed still running this! Especially now with Paint The Night on the West coast! Bringing back MSEP was fine for nostalgia and memories but it Way over stayed!! TDO Should have been using this time to rebuild SpectroMagic or a new nighttime parade.

 

[SpaceMountain75]

I agree that MK needs more new night entertainment, but I do have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised by Festival of Fantasy when I saw it last year. If they make a nighttime parade of that quality I'll be a very happy person.

 

[NH Disney Dad]

Some pictures from yesterdays trip.
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Wow, what are the chances this phase is done and open by the end of June, first week of July?

 

[note2001]

Wow, what are the chances this phase is done and open by the end of June, first week of July?

If they keep up at the most recent pace... zero chance this phase will be done by then. I'm not saying this to dampen your parade, we will be there too & I really am not expecting too much from this.

However, there seems to be a great big push to finish up these phases as crowds are about to descend upon the kingdom and Independence day is a big one. So, I'd say there will be a 90% chance the towers are done, the planters replanted (those should have been done by now) but I'm uncertain about the side areas/paths.

 

[Cosmic Commando]

MK has become saturated and the new park construction is a strategy to balance the crowds. See Pandora at DAK, Star Wars at DHS and Frozen in WS. Also expanding TSMM and Soarin.

Simple logic.

Did Star Wars construction start yet? I'll believe it when I see it. If we're going to give Disney credit for things they could build but haven't actually taken any steps towards construction, then I guess I'll call Beastlie Kingdomme and the second ring for World Showcase part of their plans to balance out the MK crowds.

 

[NH Disney Dad]

If they keep up at the most recent pace... zero chance this phase will be done by then. I'm not saying this to dampen your parade, we will be there too & I really am not expecting too much from this.

However, there seems to be a great big push to finish up these phases as crowds are about to descend upon the kingdom and Independence day is a big one. So, I'd say there will be a 90% chance the towers are done, the planters replanted (those should have been done by now) but I'm uncertain about the side areas/paths.

Haha. No worries, I'm pretty good at not expecting too much considering how these types of projects go. I figured it took them 2-3 months to complete the other side - which included the two planters, the concrete, as well as the Partners planter. They boxed up Partners almost a month ago and started working - albeit very slooooooooly, and this side only includes two planters and the concrete (how long can it take to pour concrete - especially if they're working at night when the park is empty and cooler). I was also taking into consideration the crowd size factor. As you said, the independence day crowd is going to be a b@ll breaker, and you'd THINK they'd want that space open. IDK, who knows sometimes. I wouldn't expect the side paths, those seem much further off. The towers would be nice, but I just want to see that hub completely open and Walt and Mickey out from their bunker - even though it'll probably be swarmed by a million "visitors". ;-)

 

[Victor Kelly]

A sad admission. We spent more time in World Showcase in January because of the lack of interesting attractions. If Horizons and WoM were still there as well as a real Imagination ride we would have been in FW more. But honestly 90 minutes to get on TT, Mission space well, eh. Soarin.....one shot deal just like Spaceship Earth. I am sorry but World Showcase was just more interesting. Epcot so needs attention just like the Studios and AK.

 

[Kman101]

Future World for me has simply become part of the path to World Showcase. I can't recall the last time I spent real significant time there. I love Spaceship Earth but the rest can all be replaced. Nemo and Space can get by for now but even they're very weak, IMHO. I liked Test Track prior to the refurb. I can't bring myself to ride Figment or Energy. I just can't.