Magic Kingdom Bus Loop expansion

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ASilmser

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Back to the subject at hand. . . What is the estimated time of completion of this project? (The bus thing, not the Polynesian stilt thing).:)
Just wondering. I guess it depends on how much prep they have done with the land thus far (utilities, drainage, etc.) I vaguely remember being there a couple of years ago and seeing a small fleet of dirt-movers in that area like they were prepping for something (could be mistaken though). Assuming the plot of land does not need a bunch of prep, this does not seem like it should be a time-consuming project. Grading, concrete, and construction of a large open-framed roof--not an actual building.

Are they planning on having this up and running in time for the summer rush, or in time for the holiday rush? Any word yet?
 
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Once again, don't mean to change the subject to the actual subject of this thread (sarcasm), but does anyone know the amount of time that this project is supposed to take, assuming it starts very soon?

Last time I asked, there were crickets . . . .
 
Tom

Tom

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ASilmser said:
Once again, don't mean to change the subject to the actual subject of this thread (sarcasm), but does anyone know the amount of time that this project is supposed to take, assuming it starts very soon?

Last time I asked, there were crickets . . . .
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If it starts this week, it should take 4 months in the real world. So make that 6-8 months for Disney. They can hire me if they want it done sooner....
 
jt04

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Gabe1 said:
They are moving the transfer buses at the MK. Disney is configuring this loop differently to also accommodate those double long buses that Disney has on order for the mega crowded resorts, adding AoA and transfer buses into the mix up there.

Once they move the transfer buses out of TTC hopefully they will deal with the TTC area. It is slummy.
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Best idea I have heard in awhile. Time to streamline and modernize the TTC IMO.
 
Tom

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Gabe1 said:
I spit my coffee with that post! :) Thumbs Up!

7-8 months from the time the contract was awarded, Giggle. It is a bus loop that comes with engineering and design plans on a silver platter. At Disney, a bus loop isn't rocket science.

Does demonstrate why every project takes for freak'n ever this century, Disney has been planning this loop for years already.
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Not that I disagree with your overall point, because I obviously do think Disney construction takes too long, but the time of contract award doesn't necessarily mean construction will - or can - start immediately.

All we know is that it's supposed to break ground this week (perhaps today?). So, that's 5.5 months if they're to be done before September. I haven't seen the actual plans, but I suppose it COULD take that long.

In the real world, 3-4 months seems like plenty of time, but there may be a lot of utilities that have to relocate...plus they have to get the new detention pond in place before they can place any hard surface. All while working around guests and 18 hours of bus traffic each day.

Whatever happened in the time leading up to now is purely speculation. We know it had to be submitted to the Drainage Board (which Disney does not own or control), and it can take a month or more to get through committees like that since they usually only have monthly hearings. Plus there was design time, bidding time, and whatever time it took to file for permits with the state and local jurisdictions.

Not everything is rubber-stamped, as many like to think. Even though Disney setup RCID, WDI/TDO still has to treat their projects as if they're working under the governance of real governments.

Now, let's see if they can beat their deadline!
 
Tom

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Gabe1 said:
I'm with ya, but all the plans and approvals have been going for almost 2 years, now it is digging the pond laying the pipe to where the drawing state, the hardest hurdles have been jumped, now it is time to implement it. My guess is IF the contractor doesn't hit the completion date, it will be because of Disney change orders, not the contractors incompetence.
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I agree 100% on the reason for possible delays. It's not a difficult project, and the only things that could throw it off are if Disney changes something, or they run into unforeseen conditions (utilities that weren't properly documents, which would be a huge blunder on Disney's part).
 
steve2wdw

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The first equipment on site.
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ASilmser

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NOT a construction expert, but my limited knowledge tells me that if they haven't done the site prep, it can take awhile, depending on the land. Fill, drainage, utilities, etc.--That can be the most time consuming work, because you constantly have to adapt to what you find under the surface--especially in FL. I am assuming they have done the surveys and studies necessary to make sure it's fit for construction (don't want the whole thing to get sucked up by a sinkhole), but you never know for sure until you actually start digging. Disney DOES take way too long to construct things, but even in the normal world, I wouldn't expect a project like this to be ready for a few months at least.

How long did it take the BLT construction to start going vertical? I know that they had to put in a lot more sewage and electrical lines, but they probably didn't have to start from scratch with the water retention/drainage since there already had been a large structure in that area. That may serve as a guide as to how long the land prep will take. Someone with more know-how can set me straight, but it was just a thought.
 
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ASilmser

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Has anything else happened with this other than a few earth movers parked on site? I thought they were supposed to start work this week. Don't remember what was rumor and what has been confirmed.
 
unkadug

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ASilmser said:
NOT a construction expert, but my limited knowledge tells me that if they haven't done the site prep, it can take awhile, depending on the land. Fill, drainage, utilities, etc.--That can be the most time consuming work, because you constantly have to adapt to what you find under the surface--especially in FL. I am assuming they have done the surveys and studies necessary to make sure it's fit for construction (don't want the whole thing to get sucked up by a sinkhole), but you never know for sure until you actually start digging. Disney DOES take way too long to construct things, but even in the normal world, I wouldn't expect a project like this to be ready for a few months at least.

How long did it take the BLT construction to start going vertical? I know that they had to put in a lot more sewage and electrical lines, but they probably didn't have to start from scratch with the water retention/drainage since there already had been a large structure in that area. That may serve as a guide as to how long the land prep will take. Someone with more know-how can set me straight, but it was just a thought.
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This is not really the same as building a multi-story building...this is a glorified parking lot.
 

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