JCtheparrothead
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Pretty much this and turning off wifi on your cell. Wifi infrastructure these days can track your location pretty well. Then turn off your cell phone. And then close your eyes and no one can see you!
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ABQ
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Thankfully I can still stream Squawk Box with DirecTV. I wonder what the deal was though they got whomever it was to wire Universal for Wifi if it weren't Comcast themselves. Unless I'm misunderstanding @marni1971
JCtheparrothead
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It is out there but the infrastructure would have to be very dense throughout the resort areas. I would guess that they could go with a portal system where your location would be captured as the bus drives past a certain point.
I agree with that. The problem is at the resorts they can't tell where you want to go. It could work at the parks though. A better idea would be at add a checking at the bus stop and allow guests to key in where they want to go. I guess it could also be done with MDE.
What expectation of privacy do you feel that this is invading?
Do you honestly believe that a company shouldn't be able to know where you are when on their property?
ABQ
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And don't forget your Peril Sensitive Sunglasses, don't want to see anything that might scare you, right?Pretty much this and turning off wifi on your cell. Wifi infrastructure these days can track your location pretty well. Then turn off your cell phone. And then close your eyes and no one can see you!
Very funny. Sad but true we are being tracked and there is not much we can do unless we give up all modern conveniences.Pretty much this and turning off wifi on your cell. Wifi infrastructure these days can track your location pretty well. Then turn off your cell phone. And then close your eyes and no one can see you!
Baldy
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Oops! Why didn't I think of that. I guess I was thinking more about people leaving the parks. Maybe they could have separate lines like at the value resort or we could scan our bands somewhere at the bus stop to indicate where we want to go.I know that there is no getting away from all of this big brother stuff, but I think if they wanted to, Disney could implement some really great things.
disney4life2008
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I know that there is no getting away from all of this big brother stuff, but I think if they wanted to, Disney could implement some really great things.
Big Brother has always been around even at disney. The hidden cameras cover nearly every inch of the resort. At MK back in 2009 my ex and I had a disagreement and crying ensured - a plain clothes cop came by (out of nowhere) and asked if everything was ok. I am not too worried about be tracked - with cell phone GPS our every move is tracked and easily reportable by cell phone companies, NSA and FBI.
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I like the idea of having a way to request were you plant to go, but even without that they could make a pretty good educated guess with the data they have on hand. They could look at the ADRs and Fastpass reservations each person has, which parks they have already visited, and the general aggregate trends of where people go on different days and time of day. Not going to be 100% but would be enough to estimate how many busses are needed.
Lord_Vader
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I've been saying this for a while, let users "check-in" to the stop or simply view the estimated next bus time for a destination based on where you are at.
Example: AKL guest is at AK park, opens app to transportation where it states that the MK bus is 10 minutes out, EC is 2 minutes out, HS is 25 minutes out, etc. Resorts are listed in the same manner.
They could easily do a check-in system too but by providing guests the foretasted time I am willing to bet most of the transportation complaints would go down drastically because the information would be widely available and would allow you to "plan" your time to leave and get to the stops in order to get on the next bus, if you have ten extra minutes you might spend the time in the shops at the front of the park, DTD/DS or resort.
ABQ
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And, at least where they have an actual CM at the resort bus stops, which they often do, actually have that person actively sending info on who is waiting and what bus they are waiting for, rather than just passively taking notes on what buses have arrived. I'm sure that passive info helps a bit, but wouldn't the active info help more?
Kuzcotopia
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That is a bold statement (and italicized, font enlarged, etc.
).No matter how intelligent and thoughtful you've replied in what follows, resorting to these wide-sweeping hyperbola-laden statements only detract from your overall argument. But I liked the aforementioned post too.
The reason I liked that post is because it implied the following argument:
Voting with your wallet and decreasing your visits DOES in fact make another's experience better. . . because you are not in line ahead of them anymore. In fact, if more people make your decision, and stick to it, then their visits would continue to improve.
For me, the single biggest problem with WDW is that too many people go there. For me, it's a bigger problem than lack of themed expansions, a bigger problem than rising costs, a bigger problem than upkeep, trash, food quality. . . and anything else I could ever come up with to gripe about.
I only visit WDW, on average, every three years or so. The status quo and current expansion/upkeep efforts of every aspect of the WDW experience is just fine by me, and largely go unnoticed. . . except the crowds. I notice them alot, so if a bunch of APs (I assume) start boycotting based on data mining, then great!
I thought Bolt's summed it up perfectly.
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Now, as for the original intent of the thread, I have no problem being tracked at the WDW setting. They will use their data to offer me exactly what they think I want. . . but, I am a grown intelligent human being, and I have always had the right to say "no" to any expense I do not want.
For example, if I am data-mined and WDW determined that I spent tons of time in New Fantasyland, they may send me an email with a special offer for New Fantasyland merch. Right up my alley, right?
But. . . I don't have to buy it!
wendysue
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Exactly. I don't particularly care for FP+, (may or may not use it). I refuse to be tethered to my phone like most families I see in the parks. ( on vacation together, but not really) I have a 9 yr. old flip phone with no data plan that stays in my suitcase on vacation, so no worries there... I don't buy souvenirs, (ridiculous prices), so I guess if they want to track me wandering aimlessly around the parks and sitting on benches and taking boat rides and going on whatever ride I feel like waiting in line for I guess it's ok with me, although seems like a waste of billions of dollars.
John
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No I am fully aware that Disney has had close surveillance on guest for many years. I remember a few years ago I said that Disney was using face recognition software and was basically ridiculed in the same way. Now we all know its common practice. I think unreasonable to think that Disney shouldn't know where we are at all times while on property. My problem with the tech is what they are doing with the data that is gathered on where I am and where I will be. Its used to manipulate behavior. That's the part that makes me uneasy about it.
Everyone scoffs and says....."your cell phone is being tracked" blah blah blah. But As far as I know the information used isn't used to manipulate my behavior. We all understand that this is happening around us everyday. I just don't like it infiltrating my vacation that I am paying for.
John
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That is a bold statement (and italicized, font enlarged, etc.
No matter how intelligent and thoughtful you've replied in what follows, resorting to these wide-sweeping hyperbola-laden statements only detract from your overall argument. But I liked the aforementioned post too.
The reason I liked that post is because it implied the following argument:
Voting with your wallet and decreasing your visits DOES in fact make another's experience better. . . because you are not in line ahead of them anymore. In fact, if more people make your decision, and stick to it, then their visits would continue to improve.
For me, the single biggest problem with WDW is that too many people go there. For me, it's a bigger problem than lack of themed expansions, a bigger problem than rising costs, a bigger problem than upkeep, trash, food quality. . . and anything else I could ever come up with to gripe about.
I only visit WDW, on average, every three years or so. The status quo and current expansion/upkeep efforts of every aspect of the WDW experience is just fine by me, and largely go unnoticed. . . except the crowds. I notice them alot, so if a bunch of APs (I assume) start boycotting based on data mining, then great!
I thought Bolt's summed it up perfectly.
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Now, as for the original intent of the thread, I have no problem being tracked at the WDW setting. They will use their data to offer me exactly what they think I want. . . but, I am a grown intelligent human being, and I have always had the right to say "no" to any expense I do not want.
For example, if I am data-mined and WDW determined that I spent tons of time in New Fantasyland, they may send me an email with a special offer for New Fantasyland merch. Right up my alley, right?
But. . . I don't have to buy it!
Annnnnnnd you replied in an intelligent well thought out manner which I can respect. If he/she did that to begin with I wouldn't have a problem. Now on to your comment that there is just to many people. I don't think Disney wants a drop in attendance to ease capacity.....and isn't that your real issue? You mention you are fine with the new additions etc. But the truth is the only way to alleviate your issue is to build new attractions that add capacity. So in reality what you really would like is increased capacity..... You cant have both...nothing new and more capacity. That isn't how it works.
edit: I will stick by my statement "EVER". Come up with a statement that is more juvenile that was said in an adult discussion here and I will apologize and retract my statement. Its a " you suck.....I rule" statement.....juvenile.
John
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No, Let me guess....you either havnt completely read my comments or you just don't comprehend them....which is it?
Timekeeper
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Wow. So, security jumps to respond to a guest who appears to be crying, and yet adamthewoo et al successfully went into the tunnels and other restricted areas of the parks (raising potential security concerns according to some news media that referenced his youtube videos) for quite some time before getting caught? Is that really where Disney's surveillance priorities lie?
I hope that I'm not accosted by security the next time I shed tears of joy over being able to enter the Space Mountain FastPass queue because I was able to book my ride appointment via my smartphone app a few days in advance.
DManRightHere
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I thought I had heard Disney will not be tracking indivudual people, but rather groups or just random data of whete groups stay...or something kind of like that.