Loaded gun found on Animal Kingdom ride

[Dukeblue1227]

Anyone who is defending a person who carries a concealed FIREARM into an amusement park for any reason whatsoever is certifiably insane. I don't care how rude a statement that is. The fact people are calling THIS guy irresponsible but defending a responsible person to be able to "to protect them from bad guys" is legitimately insane.

This guy probably carried his gun around a lot more than just today, and probably fell into that responsible category all those times... It takes one mistake with an GUN which only purpose in this world is to cause harm in a FAMILY VACATION. Before someone says it's purpose is to protect... Yes, protect by causing harm.

There are trained professionals in the parks to protect civilians in any event resulting in a "bad guy" and absolutely NO ordinary human being who has gone through what clearly in this country (read that in extreme sarcasm) is an intensive and thorough process to gain a concealed weapon license has any need to carry a gun in Walt Disney world.

IF you think you need protection from some bad guy, don't go there. Either trust security or stay home. It is NOT your right to carry a weapon in WDW. It is NOT your right to visit WDW period. It is a privilege in which you purchase a ticket to do so.

If you do not like the parameters in which you're privileged to do so (NOT carrying an killing device) then do not buy an ticket.

 

[dadddio]

Isn't the lack of upkeep killing that ride already?

If you believe the internet, anyway.

 

[Jake Wilson]

Is it bad when I read the first post and the title that I was expecting it to have been found on Kilimanjaro Safaris?

I did the same thing lol!!!

 

[JimJam]

Isn't the lack of upkeep killing that ride already?

That is an extremely valid point

 

[Bryner84]

I trust the average Disney World tourist with a gun to save me in a shoot out about as much as I trust myself to fight a wildfire with a garden hose.

 

[G00fyDad]

I hope that you missed the last few words of my post. Otherwise, I'm scared of you.

The last words of your comment are exactly what I was commenting on. It takes a child flat no time in figuring this stuff out. Kids (who are allowed to) see this stuff on television and in movies every day. Heck, my son knew how to load and unsafety a weapon from the start when I first took him out to teach him to fire a weapon. He learned it from watching shows like Law and Order and such with me.

 

[Mr Bill]

He had obviously taken it on Dinosaur! to take down the T-Rex...

That's even worse! The last thing we need is guests going back in time and changing things. They're going to alter the entire course of history! I don't want to wake up in a world where dogs walk on two legs and mice are six feet tall just because someone felt the need to kill a T-Rex.

 

[G00fyDad]

If you believe the internet, anyway.

Nah, but my eyes I believe.

 

[bsiev1977]

Anyone who is defending a person who carries a concealed effing FIREARM into an amusement park for any reason whatsoever is certifiably insane. I don't care how rude a statement that is. The fact people are calling THIS guy irresponsible but defending a responsible person to be able to "to protect them from bad guys" is legitimately insane.

This guy probably carried his gun around a lot more than just today, and probably fell into that responsible category all those times... It takes one mistake with an effing GUN which only purpose in this world is to cause harm in a FAMILY VACATION. Before someone says it's purpose is to protect... Yes, protect by causing harm.

There are trained professionals in the parks to protect civilians in any event resulting in a "bad guy" and absolutely NO ordinary human being who has gone through what clearly in this country (read that in extreme sarcasm) is an intensive and thorough process to gain a concealed weapon license has any need to carry a gun in Walt Disney world.

IF you think you need protection from some bad guy, don't go there. Either trust security or stay home. It is NOT your right to carry a weapon in WDW. It is NOT your right to visit WDW period. It is a privilege in which you purchase a ticket to do so.

If you do not like the parameters in which you're privileged to do so (NOT carrying an effing killing device) then do not buy an effing ticket.

This is not a political debate. There is under no circumstances a reason for an ordinary citizen to carry a gun in a family friendly vacation spot. The fact this has turned political and people genuinely defending a purpose to carry in a gun saddens me for society.

The point we are trying to make, is that if this guy had been responsible with his handgun, nobody would have ever known that it was there in the first place. From the tone of your post, it seems you have what I would call an irrational dislike of firearms. Yes, a firearm is a tool, with a primary job to harm others. Yet, a gun is only as dangerous as the person carrying it. A gun all by itself never harmed anyone.

 

[jakeman]

I think you are still missing his point. I doubt if a person were really trained to deal with "someone firing back"... Aka people like the police, he wouldn't mind. But the person who is totally unprepared for it to happen, who has never experienced that ever, and just got their training by proving they can shoot some targets, especially in a chaotic situation like say what happened in the Aurora theater, it would more than likely make things worse.

Imagine, that theater was dark, smoky, scream filled, and I doubt the shooter was that visible, considering he was wearing black and I think at one point a mask, if I remember correctly, not to mention he had some heavy duty protective stuff on. Now imagine you trying to shoot at him in that panic... Are you likely to hit him? Probably not. He's one person. In the dark. It's not easy to pinpoint exactly were the bullets are coming from because they are being sprayed everywhere. Even if you hit him, his protective gear will entirely lessen your chance of incapacitating him. Are you more likely to hit one of the screaming moving running people around you? Yep. It's purely a better statistical chance there... Many many more people. And all moving. And you can't see them all that well.

The assumption with this statement is that all CCW holders are looking to be the hero. I'm sure some are, but anyone who has actually fired a handgun (say, as required in most CCW courses) knows how horrifically inaccurate they are and would think twice about using it.

In fact, in the mall shooting a few weeks after Aurora, a CCW holder was there and drew his firearm but did not take the shot because of bystanders.

My experience with folks who shoot recreational and choose to carry is that a vast majority are responsible and understand the extreme gravity of drawing their firearm. Of course there is always a minority that are looking to pop someone off because their burrito is wrong, but with everything there is irresponsibility.

 

[GrumpyFan]

I'm sure you're right, what a bloody dangerous country you live in!

I would hardly call less than one half a percent (.34) a scary statistic for gun-related deaths.
More people die from traffic accidents on the road every year than guns.

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa-cause-of-death-by-age-and-gender

 

[GLaDOS]

The assumption with this statement is that all CCW holders are looking to be the hero. I'm sure some are, but anyone who has actually fired a handgun (say, as required in most CCW courses) knows how horrifically inaccurate they are and would think twice about using it.

In fact, in the mall shooting a few weeks after Aurora, a CCW holder was there and drew his firearm but did not take the shot because of bystanders.

This is a great post, and part of my point. Just because someone else has a gun it doesn't mean they will even be able to stop the "bad guy".

 

[disneyfan295]

This is also coming up after Disneyland closed Toontown for a while because there was a loud explosion in a garbage can.

 

[Tim_4]

Coming from a country where it's illegal to carry a gun, I find it terrifying to think I'm possibly surrounded by loaded weapons when in the States. I dread to think how many 'idiots' own guns in America, accidents happen.

Just think of all the times you've been out in public surrounded by those guns and nobody shot you. Imagine that.

 

[jakeman]

The point we are trying to make, is that if this guy had been responsible with his handgun, nobody would have ever known that it was there in the first place. From the tone of your post, it seems you have what I would call an irrational dislike of firearms. Yes, a firearm is a tool, with a primary job to harm others. Yet, a gun is only as dangerous as the person carrying it. A gun all by itself never harmed anyone.

Well now...if he was really responsible he would have inquired about the policy and left his firearm at home to be in compliance with the policies of private property.

 

[G00fyDad]

The assumption with this statement is that all CCW holders are looking to be the hero. I'm sure some are, but anyone who has actually fired a handgun (say, as required in most CCW courses) knows how horrifically inaccurate they are and would think twice about using it.

In fact, in the mall shooting a few weeks after Aurora, a CCW holder was there and drew his firearm but did not take the shot because of bystanders.

My experience with folks who shoot recreational and choose to carry is that a vast majority are responsible and understand the extreme gravity of drawing their firearm. Of course there is always a minority that are looking to pop someone off because their burrito is wrong, but with everything there is irresponsibility.

I hope that is a joke. I'm not defending this idiot for carrying a weapon into a theme park, but you don't honestly think that a handgun is inaccurate do you??? I received marksmanship each time I have ever fired a handgun. Its kind of hard to do so if they are inaccurate.

 

[Bryner84]

The point we are trying to make, is that if this guy had been responsible with his handgun, nobody would have ever known that it was there in the first place. From the tone of your post, it seems you have what I would call an irrational dislike of firearms. Yes, a firearm is a tool, with a primary job to harm others. Yet, a gun is only as dangerous as the person carrying it. A gun all by itself never harmed anyone.

That is true, guns don't shoot themselves. So we are settled then...guns are safe as long as no one is around them.

 

[Lord_Vader]

I bet you don't think there's a reason to carry a weapon in a movie theater either. Or a high school.

There is no reason to carry a weapon into a movie theater or a high school, not even after events over the past fiew years. I have lived through a MS shooting and STILL think guns in schools is BAD, I wouldn't trust the majority of my children's teachers/administrationn to carry a weapon on campus and they do not have the necessary expertise to adaquetly control a gun, a simple two week classs is NOT a fix either.

 

[bsiev1977]

Well now...if he was really responsible he would have inquired about the policy and left his firearm at home to be in compliance with the policies of private property.

That is true.
I was more responding to some people on here who feel that anyone who carries at anytime is being irresponsible just for carrying at all.

 

[bsiev1977]

That is true, guns don't shoot themselves. So we are settled then...guns are safe as long as no one is around them.

No, guns are just as safe if they are being used by a responsible person.