Loaded gun found on Animal Kingdom ride

[luv]

Jumping into this, I'd be in favor of good guys with guns shooting back. But not tourist civilians with whom we have no idea how good or mediocre they are. I'd prefer to have Disney have a security protocol in place to handle this so civilians were not required to prove their worth here. If Disney does not have a protocol in place, they are foolish. I don't want a firefight to take place that does not have at least one side of the equation having trained and prepared to operate in this sort of a situation.

AGREED!!!

There is a chance that good guy stops bad guy. There's also a chance that good guy 1 mistakes good guy 2 for bad guy and inadvertently causes even more carnage. There's also a chance that good guy is better at shooting at the range than he is when he's in a life-threatening situation and he turns out to be a poor shot.

Agreed. Better, IMO, to at least try to stop the bad guy, though.

"Just let him kill as many children as he wants" seems, on it's face, a little more foolish than trying to stop him.

 

[R W B]

I agree this guy was an idiot but not for bringing it in the parks but for just keeping it in his back pocket and thinking thats ok. Use a proper inside the pants holster or something like that and you wouldnt have an issue. We all know that they have crazy people out there and to be honest, its only a matter of time IMO before someone tries something at one of the Disney parks. I do carry a handgun here in Louisiana but never brought one to wdw and I don't plan on it. I would feel a lot better if I did have one on me at all times, kind of the control freak in me coming out. Although like anything else, theirs and time and place for everything and I dont think wdw is that place to carry a gun. Just gotta hope that wdw has a lot going on behind the scenes to prevent anything from happening.

I'm in the favor of no one having guns.

I think thats called denial, not sure though.

 

[bsiev1977]

Coming from a country where it's illegal to carry a gun, I find it terrifying to think I'm possibly surrounded by loaded weapons when in the States. I dread to think how many 'idiots' own guns in America, accidents happen.

I see three prior Disney trips listed in your sig. Chances are, you had many people around you who were armed. You didn't know about it, and nothing bad happened to you.

 

[dadddio]

"According to the report, Lista thought the security bag checks were for explosives not guns. He had the pistol in a back pant pocket."

And now he ruins it for everyone.

Who did he ruin it for?

I'm a big 'gun rights' advocate, but WDW is posted as a 'no-carry' zone. This chucklehead should lose his carry permit either because he failed to keep his weapon secured or because he carried it where concealed carry is not allowed.

 

[bubbles1812]

That would be nice. But short of living in a John Lennon song (or a movie) that will never, ever happen.

And that isn't what we were discussing. We were discussing a situation where a bad guy with a gun HAS shown up. You said you weren't in favor of good guys with guns shooting back.

That pretty much leaves, "Let the bad guys kill as many people as they want." Unless I'm missing something other than the Utopian idea, which I may very well be!

You said it was foolish for e good guys with guns to shoot back.

What is less foolish? Help me out here! I'm totally willing to see another side!!!

I think you are still missing his point. I doubt if a person were really trained to deal with "someone firing back"... Aka people like the police, he wouldn't mind. But the person who is totally unprepared for it to happen, who has never experienced that ever, and just got their training by proving they can shoot some targets, especially in a chaotic situation like say what happened in the Aurora theater, it would more than likely make things worse.

Imagine, that theater was dark, smoky, scream filled, and I doubt the shooter was that visible, considering he was wearing black and I think at one point a mask, if I remember correctly, not to mention he had some heavy duty protective stuff on. Now imagine you trying to shoot at him in that panic... Are you likely to hit him? Probably not. He's one person. In the dark. It's not easy to pinpoint exactly were the bullets are coming from because they are being sprayed everywhere. Even if you hit him, his protective gear will entirely lessen your chance of incapacitating him. Are you more likely to hit one of the screaming moving running people around you? Yep. It's purely a better statistical chance there... Many many more people. And all moving. And you can't see them all that well.

 

[GLaDOS]

You said it was foolish for e good guys with guns to shoot back.

No, I said it was foolish to assume it would work or to assume it would happen.

 

[GLaDOS]

I think you are still missing his point. I doubt if a person were really trained to deal with "someone firing back"... Aka people like the police, he wouldn't mind. But the person who is totally unprepared for it to happen, who has never experienced that ever, and just got their training by proving they can shoot some targets, especially in a chaotic situation like say what happened in the Aurora theater, it would more than likely make things worse. Imagine, that theater was dark, smoky, scream filled, and I doubt the shooter was that visible, not to mention he had some heavy duty stuff on. Now imagine you trying to shoot at him in that panic... Are you likely to hit him? Probably not. Or at least not a enough to incapcitate him. Are you more likely to hit one of the screaming moving running people around you? Yep.

This.

 

[dadddio]

Exactly.

And strangely quite a few of those countries which have lifestyles without guns manage to exist quite well without being havens of crime that people need to protect themselves from.

We aren't one of those countries (by your apparent definition). If you promise to completely do away with the crime, I'll happily let you do away with my weapon. Until you do step one, step two is not going to happen.

 

[GLaDOS]

I think thats called denial, not sure though.

No, denial is thinking that will happen, not hoping it would.

I fully realize this country is far too in love with firearms for it to ever happen.

 

[Bolna]

So they haven't exactly existed "quite well" without the guns? They exist "quite well" until bad guys with guns show up. Then they require entire ARMIES of men with guns to come save them.

The reason America would be difficult to overtake isn't the stern looks the bad guys would get...nor is it the fact that bad guys wouldn't like to take over. It's the guns.

I said they exist quite well without a lifestyle that include guns - so no guns in the private sphere. Huge difference.

Also, the USA do have the huge advantage of being a very difficult place to invade. So geography might have a lot to do with that - as well as economic strength.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

Let's assume for one (brief) moment that this guy truly was oblivious about bringing a gun into the park. In what world is it a good idea to carry a gun in your back pocket? That's just ridiculous. It belongs in a holster, either stashed in your waistband, around your ankle or shoulder under a jacket. This guy is clearly all sorts of stupid and doesn't deserve a gun, period.

 

[Bolna]

We aren't one of those countries. If you promise to completely do away with the crime, I'll happily let you do away with my weapon.

I never said that what other people ought to do or not. I just wanted to point out what some people here say as an absolute truth might not be so absolute and other models of thought exist in the real world.

 

[Bolna]

Let's assume for one (brief) moment that this guy truly was oblivious about bringing a gun into the park. In what world is it a good idea to carry a gun in your back pocket? That's just ridiculous. It belongs in a holster, either stashed in your waistband, around your ankle or shoulder under a jacket. This guy is clearly all sorts of stupid and doesn't deserve a gun, period.

The thing I don't understand: if you see a security check - why just assume that this is only for explosive? If you are responsible, why not just go and ask the security officer and then you would have the correct answer.

 

[draybook]

Coming from a country where it's illegal to carry a gun, I find it terrifying to think I'm possibly surrounded by loaded weapons when in the States. I dread to think how many 'idiots' own guns in America, accidents happen.

I would venture that it's a lesser amount than that of idiots who are driving around you when visiting. Btw, you have a better chance of dying in an auto accident than you do in a firearm related death.

 

[c-one]

AGREED!!!
Agreed. Better, IMO, to at least try to stop the bad guy, though.

"Just let him kill as many children as he wants" seems, on it's face, a little more foolish than trying to stop him.

I think that's a false dichotomy, though, is what I am saying. I am, again, assuming without inside knowledge that TDO and nearby law enforcement have entertained the possibility that the world's most famous vacation destination *could* be an attractive target for a murderous psychopath terrorist, and that they have a plan to respond should such a situation occur. And I'm assuming these trained professionals would be better equipped to handle the situation than the tourist who goes hunting or to the shooting range once a month. And I'm assuming that a situation in which the professional responders are incapacitated while the bad guy goes on an indefinite rampage is such a remote possibility that it's not realistic.

 

[Timekeeper]

 

[sshindel]

From the article:

A young boy said, "My grandma found it in her seat," the report stated.

I'll bet Grandma is pretty happy that she was the one sitting on someone's loaded gun, not her grandson.

 

[dave&di]

I would venture that it's a lesser amount than that of idiots who are driving around you when visiting. Btw, you have a better chance of dying in an auto accident than you do in a firearm related death.

I'm sure you're right, what a bloody dangerous country you live in!

 

[MickeyPeace]

Forgive me, but I'm not jumping down your throat here. There is nothing wrong with the "culture of guns". It's people like this guy, who was irresponsible, that makes responsible gun owners look bad. A truly responsible gun owner knows where their weapon is at all times.

Just like their car keys.

 

[BoarderPhreak]

The thing I don't understand: if you see a security check - why just assume that this is only for explosive? If you are responsible, why not just go and ask the security officer and then you would have the correct answer.

Very true. The whole story is just unbelievable.