Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’

[Californian Elitist]

Was Walt Disney's Snow White & The Seven Dwarves, or its Grimm's Fairytales source material, a story of "female leadership roles"???

This is exactly what makes people roll their eyes and/or laugh at whatever vapid and rather stupid sounding drivel Miss Zegler says about this live action remake of an old cartoon. Snow White in Walt Disney's film wasn't in a "leadership role", aside from cleaning up the dwarves cabin, as most women would if they ever set foot in a bachelor pad.

But sure, make the fable of Snow White all about "leadership". Presented by LinkedIn, in association with TED Talks.

But really, it's a just cute little story about a pretty girl who finds seven dwarves living in the forest on her way to finding true love.



You should alert the media about that, because they've been going in a completely different direction the last two weeks.

'Snow White' actor Rachel Zegler slammed for her comments on the Disney original: 'There's a big focus on her love story with a guy who literally stalks her'

"I was scared of the original version. I think I watched it once and never picked it up again," Rachel Zegler told Entertainment Weekly.

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'Snow White' star Rachel Zegler stirs online anger after dissing 1937 original

Rachel Zegler, who leads Disney's upcoming Snow White remake, has found herself under fire after she seemingly dissed the 1937 original film.

torontosun.com

'Snow White' Remake Actress Rachel Zegler Slams Disney's 1937 Classic In Ongoing Marketing Nightmare

Actress Rachel Zegler has bashed the movie with nearly every promotion by mischaracterizing the Snow White as an outdated...

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It doesn’t matter. She still didn’t crap on the animated film, as you claim.

My point was made.

 

[GhostHost1000]

So what was Lightyear’s agenda?

The fact that you pretend to not know and want to bait me on it tells me all I need to know.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I’ve never seen him suggest that he speaks for all fans. Only that he speaks for himself and a certain share of the potential customer base. who are choosing not to be customers because of the issues he has discussed.

In this thread he has repeatedly made sweeping statements purporting to speak for everyone. If that isn’t what he means, he’s demonstrated the verbal dexterity needed to clarify.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The fact that you pretend to not know and want to bait me on it tells me all I need to know.

No, I THINK I know what you mean, but I don’t presume to speak for you. You keep referencing the agenda - I ask that you articulate it in your own words.

 

[doctornick]

So what was Lightyear’s agenda?

Lightyear’s problem was being a lousy movie and not reflecting what people wanted from a kinda spin off from Toy Story. I don’t think the poor box office had much to do with the minimal gay romance.

However, the presence of the gay kiss and those inside Disney tooting about getting that put back in certainly has added to the general idea of Disney worrying more about DEI initiatives than good storytelling. In isolation nothing of consequence but just a small part of a larger issue.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I ask you again, where did Zegler say she “hated” Snow White?

I don't know why you keep asking me that. I never said she did.

Well, you did post this article...

Whoever Disney had managing Halle Bailey's excellent PR for Little Mermaid needs to move over to the Snow White account ASAP.

Rachel Zegler Hating On 'Snow White' Compared to Halle Bailey's Love for Ariel

More 'Snow White' discourse has bubbled up this weekend ... and Halle Bailey is being thrust into the debate.

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In which TMZ casts the furor of some Snow White fans as claiming she hates the original Snow White, but she never actually said that.

In fact, TMZ article is surprisingly fair to Zegler in presenting her point of view that she personally finds the original as dated. But Zegler never said she hated it.

Everyone should read that TMZ which has a nice summary of what has gone down, to wit.

1. Zegler had personal issues with the original Snow White mostly due to being frightened by it as a child and finding the story dated culturally. [A position *many* people have.]​

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2. Zegler never said she hated it.​

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3. Some people are incorrectly (and maybe with malice) are characterizing Zegler's issues as HATING IT!!!!1!!! in a fit of nerdrage.​

 

[Casper Gutman]

Lightyear’s problem was being a lousy movie and not reflecting what people wanted from a kinda spin off from Toy Story. I don’t think the poor box office had much to do with the minimal gay romance.

However, the presence of the gay kiss and those inside Disney tooting about getting that put back in certainly has added to the general idea of Disney worrying more about DEI initiatives than good storytelling. In isolation nothing of consequence but just a small part of a larger issue.

The leak from creatives who complained that Disney regularly banned LGBTQ content the creatives wanted to put in films but in this case the company backed down by media scrutiny - doesn’t that demonstrate the exact OPPOSITE of what you claim, that Disney was in fact very reluctant about “DEI” content?

 

[Tony the Tigger]

. If it was just these "hate-mongering right wing groups", why is NO ONE purchasing bud light? So I guess the question is, who is the demographic for bud light then?

People with balls.

Or not.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Well, you did post this article...



In which TMZ casts the furor of some Snow White fans as claiming she hates the original Snow White, but she never actually said that.

In fact, TMZ article is surprisingly fair to Zegler in presenting her point of view that she personally finds the original as dated. But Zegler never said she hated it.

Everyone should read that TMZ which has a nice summary of what has gone down, to wit.

1. Zegler had personal issues with the original Snow White mostly due to being frightened by it as a child and finding the story dated culturally. [A position *many* people have.]​

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2. Zegler never said she hated it.​

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3. Some people are incorrectly (and maybe with malice) are characterizing Zegler's issues as HATING IT!!!!1!!! in a fit of nerdrage.​

It’s also in quotation marks in the Daily Mail piece, which make it an unambiguous lie.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Well, you did post this article...



In which TMZ casts the furor of some Snow White fans as claiming she hates the original Snow White, but she never actually said that.

In fact, TMZ article is surprisingly fair to Zegler in presenting her point of view that she personally finds the original as dated. But Zegler never said she hated it.

Everyone should read that TMZ which has a nice summary of what has gone down, to wit.

1. Zegler had personal issues with the original Snow White mostly due to being frightened by it as a child and finding the story dated culturally. [A position *many* people have.]​

​

2. Zegler never said she hated it.​

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3. Some people are incorrectly (and maybe with malice) are characterizing Zegler's issues as HATING IT!!!!1!!! in a fit of nerdrage.​

Right. She never claimed to hate the movie and nothing she said suggests she hates it. Always making stuff up and exaggerating to fuel those who agree with them.

Don’t some folks want Disney to fail? If this is a fail, in your mind, why are you offended, irritated, and making stuff up?

 

[LittleBuford]

Well, you did post this article...



In which TMZ casts the furor of some Snow White fans as claiming she hates the original Snow White, but she never actually said that.

In fact, TMZ article is surprisingly fair to Zegler in presenting her point of view that she personally finds the original as dated. But Zegler never said she hated it.

Everyone should read that TMZ which has a nice summary of what has gone down, to wit.

1. Zegler had personal issues with the original Snow White mostly due to being frightened by it as a child and finding the story dated culturally. [A position *many* people have.]​

​

2. Zegler never said she hated it.​

​

3. Some people are incorrectly (and maybe with malice) are characterizing Zegler's issues as HATING IT!!!!1!!! in a fit of nerdrage.​

It wouldn't bother me if she did come out as hating it. I'm interested in Zegler's acting, not her personal movie tastes.

 

[Chi84]

Kiss the girl was modified because the original was deemed to be too rapey and they wanted to emphasize "Ariel giving affirmative consent to be kissed," I kid you not.

A whole verse was cut from Poor Unfortunate Souls because it was deemed "problematic" or whatever. Despite the fact that, you know, Ursula is evil so of course she's going to say problematic things.

You’ll have your looks, your pretty face
And don’t underestimate the importance of body language, ha!
The men up there don’t like a lot of blabber
They think a girl who gossips is a bore!
Yes on land it’s much preferred for ladies not to say a word
And after all dear, what is idle babble for?
Come on, they’re not all that impressed with conversation
True gentlemen avoid it when they can
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a lady who’s withdrawn
It’s she who holds her tongue who gets a man

I'll watch Kiss the Girl again. I missed Ariel giving affirmative consent. In my defense, the scene was beautiful and the leads had a great deal of chemistry, so I was probably concentrating on that.

I didn't notice the missing verse from Ursula's song, but reading the lyrics make me think kids these days wouldn't know what the hell she was talking about. And maybe that's a good thing.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

You are not the only audience nor do you speak for the audience as a whole, but throughout this thread you have repeatedly presumed to do so.

You have this weird obsession with individualizing everything. Not once did I mention my own preferences for this film. Honestly, I don't think there's any version of a Snow White live-action remake that would get me excited because 1) I don't like live-action remakes and 2) I don't really like Snow White that much.

I'm not talking about *me*, I'm talking about *audiences*.

I loved Ms. Marvel and Andor. Audiences didn't.

Audiences loved Barbie and Top Gun: Maverick. I didn't.

My personal preferences and tastes don't prevent me from assessing what seems to be commercially viable in the marketplace.

 

[Californian Elitist]

It wouldn't bother me if she did come out as hating it. I'm interested in Zegler's acting, not her personal movie tastes.

Exactly. I just recently heard her sing for the first time (I haven’t seen West Side Story yet). She’s a gorgeous vocalist and her voice is perfect for Snow White.

I initially wasn’t going to see this, but now I’m interested and will be watching it for her singing alone.

 

[doctornick]

The leak from creatives who complained that Disney regularly banned LGBTQ content the creatives wanted to put in films but in this case the company backed down by media scrutiny - doesn’t that demonstrate the exact OPPOSITE of what you claim, that Disney was in fact very reluctant about “DEI” content?

The leak was someone inside the company saying "yeah, we bullied Disney to putting back in a gay kiss" and being proud of it and wanting to advertise the fact. Which of course set off a firestorm of response from far right media.

The "best" way to go about it was to not say anything at all, just let it be in the movie, and let people discover it once it comes out so it doesn't become a lightening rod issue before hand and dominate conversation.

(To be clear, I think putting that in the movie was totally appropriate and fine. No concerns. It's not really an issue and I doubt it really influenced many ordinary people's view of the film)

 

[Andrew C]

now I’m interested and will be watching it for her singing alone.

She ain't gonna be singing Someday My Prince Will Come....or I'm Wishing.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Exactly. I just recently heard her sing for the first time (I haven’t seen West Side Story yet). She’s a gorgeous vocalist and her voice is perfect for Snow White.

I initially wasn’t going to see this, but now I’m interested and will be watching it for her singing alone.

They cut the songs, mate. They're not girl power-y enough.

 

[erasure fan1]

People with balls.

Or not.

So I guess everyone wasn't happy with bud light then, and it's not just a one sided thing. Got it.

 

[Rambozo]

You can't rationalize with CERTAIN people.

For some reason these CERTAIN people are still defending Disney. Even though they are casting non little people as the Dwarfs. And a crazy person as Snow White, whose called Prince Charming a stalker. "WEIRD, WEIRD!"

 

[DKampy]

I very much enjoyed it too. And my enjoyment was enhanced a great deal by my familiarity with the very different animated version of Cruella.

Cruella is my favorite of the live actions… it is the one I am actively hoping for a sequel