LittleBuford
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Did it bother you that they called Cruella by that name when it was a totally different version of the character?Because if there’s a different Disney version of Snow White, it shouldn’t be called Snow White?
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Live-Action ‘Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs’
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Casper Gutman
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Cool! Let’s pick one… what’s Lightyear’s “agenda?”
Vegas Disney Fan
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I’ve been rewatching Once Upon a Time on D+ and it’s absolutely amazing what they did with familiar characters by placing them in a new environment.
Not once have I felt they’ve done a disservice to the originals, despite drastically changing their stories.
It’s amazing what you can get away with when you’re creative rather than just changing the original story in a few controversial ways and slapping a new badge on it.
Chi84
Premium Member
Do you think the change in TLM was forced? It seemed to be accounted for and entirely natural in the context of the movie.Because if there’s a different Disney version of Snow White, it shouldn’t be called Snow White?
They can do whatever they want, but just like TLM, they don’t need to force change something from the past, create/make new characters, stories, and movies, but they won’t
Have you seen the movie? There’s almost nothing different from the original except some added material and who ultimately killed Ursula (which I didn’t think was better than the original but wasn’t bothered by either).
There certainly weren’t enough changes to justify a new name for the movie unless you’re focused solely on race, which I’m told hasn’t been an issue for many years.
Why do you think TLM was force changed from the past?
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
You’re kidding right? Are you really asking why Lightyear failed? Your Mickey ears couldn’t have fallen that far over your eyes
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
The lyrical changes to Poor Unfortunate Souls and Kiss the Girl (and the direction of Kiss the Girl in general) were unnecessary and ridiculous.
Vegas Disney Fan
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It’s my favorite remake, also a great example of taking something familiar and making a new story with it. The Maleficent movies being close behind.
Chi84
Premium Member
Good lord you have a good eye (or ear). I totally missed them. What were the changes?
Never said it accounts for a small group… there is a lot of people following a certain group of loud individuals messages rather than thinking for themselves..
LSLS
Well-Known Member
Different character, but telling a different story from a different time in that person's life. It's not crazy to think that character was different when she was younger. Now, we don't know for sure something similar isn't the case here, but nothing I've heard makes me think it will be.
Casper Gutman
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The idea that The Disney Version is the definitive, untouchable, authoritative version is hysterical given once widespread condemnation of the way Disney homogenized and sanitized pre-existing stories.
If Disney makes a live action Hunchback and makes Frollo a priest, will there be outrage? (Yes, yes there will, for multiple reasons).
If Disney makes a live action Hunchback and makes Frollo a priest, will there be outrage? (Yes, yes there will, for multiple reasons).
Vegas Disney Fan
Well-Known Member
On that we completely agree, lots of different groups blindly following different agendas also, we’re probably more divided into ideological camps now than I’ve ever seen in my lifetime.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
If Disney is remaking an animated Disney movie into a live action Disney movie, shouldn’t it be the Disney version, and they could even go as far as attempting to have characters that look the same as their previous movie?
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
My wife and I watched when it first came out on ABC back in the day. We also enjoyed it a lot.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Kiss the girl was modified because the original was deemed to be too rapey and they wanted to emphasize "Ariel giving affirmative consent to be kissed," I kid you not.
A whole verse was cut from Poor Unfortunate Souls because it was deemed "problematic" or whatever. Despite the fact that, you know, Ursula is evil so of course she's going to say problematic things.
You’ll have your looks, your pretty face
And don’t underestimate the importance of body language, ha!
The men up there don’t like a lot of blabber
They think a girl who gossips is a bore!
Yes on land it’s much preferred for ladies not to say a word
And after all dear, what is idle babble for?
Come on, they’re not all that impressed with conversation
True gentlemen avoid it when they can
But they dote and swoon and fawn
On a lady who’s withdrawn
It’s she who holds her tongue who gets a man
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
Lotta folks in this thread feel pretty confident in their ability to define stuff for others - concepts of “femininity” and “romance,” acceptable changes to pre-existing stories, what groups should be allowed onscreen, how other can individuals identify and live their lives. Weird in a thread where yesterday a poster angrily said others don’t have the right to decide whether someone’s culture war outrage is or isn’t valid.
But that’s the trick, right? The outrage, the sense of victimhood - that’s the only “real” thing.
But that’s the trick, right? The outrage, the sense of victimhood - that’s the only “real” thing.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Literally the best part of the song...
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
You allude to Lightyear’s agenda. Explain. It would be easier then all this dodging.
CaptainAmerica
Premium Member
Yeah god forbid Disney do any homogenizing and sanitizing when they produce their movies FOR CHILDREN.
My 8 year old and I have been reading the Robert Fagles translation of The Odyssey at bedtime. But I skip the parts about, you know, rape and incest and stuff BECAUSE SHE'S EIGHT.
LSLS
Well-Known Member
This is the part I don't know. I'm not sure if it's a "my way or the highway" attitude, or if it's specifically working to change previous versions of characters. For example, if Little Mermaid was a story about a sister (or another mermaid not name Ariel) and a different title, does it have the same hatred? If this movie goes by a different character name (or even just different title), is it scrutinized like it is? I don't think there's a true answer to this unless Disney decides to change how they are doing remakes and we see how those do, but it's something I keep wondering.