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Little Mermaid in 3D canceled
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Animaniac93-98
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Nope, they don't have all the cels to do that. It's like this:
http://www.filmedge.net/NBC3d/Disney3D.htm
The process may have been different, given that unlike Nightmare or Titanic, the film does not contain dimesnional sets, but the process involving seperating film layers in a computer and spacing them would have been. For the CAPS (Lion King, Beauty and the Beast) titles it's a lot easier as the layers are already seperated in the computer
WED99
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What happened to all the cels? I thought they stored every frame of every movie for later reference. If they didn't how do we get things like this....
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I will never understand this criticism of the DCA Mermaid show building. Since they chose to built it in the Paradise Pier area of the part the architecture they picked is a perfect fit for the sea-side amusement pier theme.
WED99
Well-Known Member
Yes it suits the theme, but some sea creatures on the building matching the architecture would help. In it's current state, first timers could easily skip the ride without even knowing.I will never understand this criticism of the DCA Mermaid show building. Since they chose to built it in the Paradise Pier area of the part the architecture they picked is a perfect fit for the sea-side amusement pier theme.
muteki
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We watched the 3D Lion King blu ray and were pretty pleased with it. I don't think I'd pay an extra 10 dollars or whatever it is to see it in the theater though. Heck, we had free passes for 3d Monster's Inc in the theater and never saw it.
As for the ride's popularity in California, you have to remember it has been out and open a lot longer than ours has, and it is competing with the oh-so-new-and-fresh Cars Land for peoples attention. That being said, I do think location (or context, perhaps) has a bit to do with it, as we were there before Cars Land opened and it was a walk on.
WDW's will likely sustain Pan-levels of waits for some time, due to its newness here, and it being in the right location and context. Its also got a Castle out front, I hear little girls love that stuff.
As for the ride's popularity in California, you have to remember it has been out and open a lot longer than ours has, and it is competing with the oh-so-new-and-fresh Cars Land for peoples attention. That being said, I do think location (or context, perhaps) has a bit to do with it, as we were there before Cars Land opened and it was a walk on.
WDW's will likely sustain Pan-levels of waits for some time, due to its newness here, and it being in the right location and context. Its also got a Castle out front, I hear little girls love that stuff.
iheartdisney91
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yeah, i read this the other day and it devastated me.
TLM being my all time favorite, my friends and i already planned a date to see it.
super bummed it was cancelled.
Pixar films are not hard to find in Stores, so i'm thinking families just went to the store and bought the DVD/Blue ray and got the movie for just as much as watching it once in the theater.
where as if "Mermaid" went into theaters i have a feeling it would have done better because "Mermaid" is not on store shelves anymore.
....maybe Disney has something better in mind for Ariel?..... probably not.
just bring it to the big screen in its original format and i'd pay to see it in a heartbeat.
The lines for her ride in WDW are WAY busy with big crowds, but one night on our last visit we walked right through the Que. and onto the clam-mobiles.
TLM being my all time favorite, my friends and i already planned a date to see it.
super bummed it was cancelled.
Pixar films are not hard to find in Stores, so i'm thinking families just went to the store and bought the DVD/Blue ray and got the movie for just as much as watching it once in the theater.
where as if "Mermaid" went into theaters i have a feeling it would have done better because "Mermaid" is not on store shelves anymore.
....maybe Disney has something better in mind for Ariel?..... probably not.
just bring it to the big screen in its original format and i'd pay to see it in a heartbeat.
The lines for her ride in WDW are WAY busy with big crowds, but one night on our last visit we walked right through the Que. and onto the clam-mobiles.
lunchbox1175
Well-Known Member
I am not sure about what movie theaters are like where you live, but i know one of the theaters here in the Houston area that shows previously released Disney movies in the mornings for like $4 or $5 before its regular scheduled showings, great way to see the ones you like on the big screen again.
captainkidd
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The 3D re-releases have been a bust, not just for Disney, but for all the studios. The only movie that made any substantial cash was Titanic. 3D as a whole is failing at theaters. 95% of the films released in 3D look terrible and cheesy, and the picture is seriously darkened. Plus, it gives many people a headache.
MissM
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I hate 3D; I wear glasses so glasses-over-glasses for 90 minutes (or more) is a miserable, headache-inducing experience. So I never go see the 3D re-releases. (Or any 3D movie for that matter.)
That said, when Beauty and the Beast came out on IMAX back in 2002, we made a special point to see it. Getting to see it on the big screen - and in fact, really big screen - again was awesome. If they just put something out every few years in good old 2D, I think a lot of people would enjoy seeing it in the theater again.
Heck, Back to the Future was released on the big screen for it's 25th anniversary and pretty much sold out everywhere. Sure as heck I was in the audience. Even though I know the movie literally by heart (I'm so not kidding) and I've seen it more times than I can count, the experience of seeing in the theater was SO worth the $10.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It's because it's all from one place...
The building is anything but 'cheap' - its just not what he thinks it should be.
Patricia Melton
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I try to avoid the 3D thing when I can...it's very expensive in my opinion. Sometimes, the only screening of something my family can go to is the 3D one and we have to take it...but if it's my husband and I plus my niece and nephew it ends up being $60 or $70 for a night at the movies! That's absurd, especially since I could have made a nice dinner at home and watched a DVD for 1/3 that amount.
3D is just too expensive to watch for my family. I also really don't enjoy it. Sure, it was amazing the first time I saw a 3D movie. It was still cool the 5th time I saw a 3D movie. But now it's kind of a yawn for me.
As for the Little Mermaid building at DCA, I was just there this past Tuesday. I rode Little Mermaid for the first time ever and I thought it was delightful. I thought it was better than Mr. Toad's, Pinnochio, and Snow White's Scary Adventure. I did not like it as much as Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland though. Those two are the best dark rides in my opinion, but I would rank Little Mermaid third.
The building itself fits in well with the Paradise Pier. It reminds me of a building that would have been built at a seaside amusement park like that. I personally think the seaside amusement park theme was a bad choice because it feels like a cheap-o amusement park that was there long ago and then Disney just built DCA around it...but that was the choice Disney made when it went cheap with DCA to begin with. I wish the whole place would be remodeled.
But if Paradise Pier is staying then the Mermaid show building "works" for that area. I really don't know what else it could be themed to.
3D is just too expensive to watch for my family. I also really don't enjoy it. Sure, it was amazing the first time I saw a 3D movie. It was still cool the 5th time I saw a 3D movie. But now it's kind of a yawn for me.
As for the Little Mermaid building at DCA, I was just there this past Tuesday. I rode Little Mermaid for the first time ever and I thought it was delightful. I thought it was better than Mr. Toad's, Pinnochio, and Snow White's Scary Adventure. I did not like it as much as Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland though. Those two are the best dark rides in my opinion, but I would rank Little Mermaid third.
The building itself fits in well with the Paradise Pier. It reminds me of a building that would have been built at a seaside amusement park like that. I personally think the seaside amusement park theme was a bad choice because it feels like a cheap-o amusement park that was there long ago and then Disney just built DCA around it...but that was the choice Disney made when it went cheap with DCA to begin with. I wish the whole place would be remodeled.
But if Paradise Pier is staying then the Mermaid show building "works" for that area. I really don't know what else it could be themed to.
Magenta Panther
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I think that the success of the Lion King 3D vs. all the other, less-profitable 3D conversion attempts ought to teach Disney two things:
1. The Lion King is a very special movie that people still adore. THAT'S why its 3D version did so well, vs. the others. SO SCRAP THE STUPID AVATAR LAND AND BUILD THE PRIDE LANDS INSTEAD!!!!
2. Make another 2D Disney film that focuses on animal characters, not princesses. Find a good story. The Redwall series might be a good choice - I've read most of them, and yeah, they've gotten pretty repetitious (foxes and weasels are ALWAYS bad guys, talk about racial profiling!), but they are VERY popular and I think a good adaptation has a great chance at being a big hit. Or how about The Last Unicorn? True, it WAS made into a movie years ago, and that movie has its charms, but it's hardly Disney-quality. And The Last Unicorn is not a girly book; it's very witty, original, magical and heartfelt. It'd make a GREAT Disney film. So get on it, Disney - wake the hell up, as Goofyrnmost would put it, and BUILD ON YOUR LEGACY.
1. The Lion King is a very special movie that people still adore. THAT'S why its 3D version did so well, vs. the others. SO SCRAP THE STUPID AVATAR LAND AND BUILD THE PRIDE LANDS INSTEAD!!!!
2. Make another 2D Disney film that focuses on animal characters, not princesses. Find a good story. The Redwall series might be a good choice - I've read most of them, and yeah, they've gotten pretty repetitious (foxes and weasels are ALWAYS bad guys, talk about racial profiling!), but they are VERY popular and I think a good adaptation has a great chance at being a big hit. Or how about The Last Unicorn? True, it WAS made into a movie years ago, and that movie has its charms, but it's hardly Disney-quality. And The Last Unicorn is not a girly book; it's very witty, original, magical and heartfelt. It'd make a GREAT Disney film. So get on it, Disney - wake the hell up, as Goofyrnmost would put it, and BUILD ON YOUR LEGACY.
NemoRocks78
Seized
Stupid Monsters and Nemo. 
I thought Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King looked great in 3D. I've watched them multiple times on my own 3D TV at home. I was really looking forward to seeing this in 3D on the big screen… guess I'll have to wait for that Blu-ray 3D release, though.
I thought Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King looked great in 3D. I've watched them multiple times on my own 3D TV at home. I was really looking forward to seeing this in 3D on the big screen… guess I'll have to wait for that Blu-ray 3D release, though.
lazyboy97o
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This seems to be a lesson all branches of The Walt Disney Company forgets. The Lion King was not a fluke in its 3D release, people like the film and wanted to see it on the big screen. But instead, Disney is so obsessed with a gimmick that has been attached, they only look at that and not the actual content.
Magenta Panther
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Yes, I'm afraid you're correct. Disney just does not seem to grasp the significance of the Lion King, or its enduring appeal. Which is why, I suppose, TLK has so little presence in the parks. It's sad.
lazyboy97o
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Presence in theme parks should not be the automatic response to well done and financially performing films. It's essentially the same attitude that lead to the "cheapquels." If there is something to be said that works in themed entertainment, then it should be done and should be able to stand apart from the film.
Animaniac93-98
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That would require an enormous amount of space (and they already have multiple vaults), since each second of film has 24 frames. The animation research library stores drawings (rough, concept, clean-up), storyboard art, scripts and meeting notations and cels, maqueets, background paintings, promotional art, and more but not for every frame for every movie. You'd need 100,000+ cels for something like Sleeping Beauty or Alice in Wonderland alone. In addition cels were often not saved, and deteriorate over time:
"There is much talk about ‘Disney cells’, truth is, the studio didn’t save a lot of cells. Famous Disney artist Marc Davis {who worked on Cinderella} once said artists used to call cells residue, they were tossed away or wiped off and re-used {boo!}. In harder times, some sold them at the parks {double boo!}. In reality, most of the archive is paper, layout drawing and concept art."
http://www.myorganizedchaos.net/2012/09/step-into-the-vault-disneys-animation-research-library
Recylcing animation can be done through a number of methods, including tracing key-frame drawings, tracing photostats (still frames of a film printed on blown up pieces of paper) and other methods.
For 3-D conversions, the easiest method is to trace scanned frames of film and crop and reposition layers for the desired effect.
FigmentJedi
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Which of course is keeping with how in production, they thought nobody would like the Lion King and Pocahontas would be the massive smash everyone would remember and would get them the Best Picture award.
Yeah.
FigmentJedi
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They just traced scenes from the film versions themselves. Back in the old days, animation companies didn't see the value of cels and you could buy them and animation drawings for a couple bucks at Disneyland.
As for the CAPS films, there are no physical cels as inking and coloring was all done digitally. They just exist on a harddrive.