Lines at the FP+ entrances

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
In WDW, that isn't the case, there are finite resources that are being overly-demanded, such as specific restaurants and attractions. To have a method for allocating those resources makes sense;

The finite number of resources being overly-demanded could be eased by simply building more attractions and shows, not by giving us a "method" to plan our day around the finite resources. Sure, the app is handy, but the price that came with it could have nearly eliminated most issues with long lines if they had used the money for much needed attractions. There is an attraction capacity problem, not a planning your day problem.
 

Fractal514

Well-Known Member
The finite number of resources being overly-demanded could be eased by simply building more attractions and shows, not by giving us a "method" to plan our day around the finite resources. Sure, the app is handy, but the price that came with it could have nearly eliminated most issues with long lines if they had used the money for much needed attractions. There is an attraction capacity problem, not a planning your day problem.

Ok, I get that, and I agree with that. But... they didn't build that stuff. I'm as hopeful as the next guy for them to give us a major expansion to Hollywood Studios and AK and some new pavilions for Epcot (plus a new E-ticket or two for MK), but they didn't and haven't, and who knows if/when they will or when those projects will open. Until then, we have what we have, and while I get the idea of being mad at Disney for giving us MM+ instead of those things, that doesn't make MM+ itself inherently bad. I like it, and I'm glad to use it. That being said, I'd trade it in an instant for even half of what I mentioned above.
 

MrNonacho

Premium Member
You are wrong. Disney announced this with the program. If a persons fast pass choice breaks down, a fast pass for any ride will be put on their bands for them to use at any time. It allows them the choice to come back when the ride is working, or to just do another ride.

You are incorrect. Auto GSR entitles you to a choice of related attractions, NOT any attraction. The exception is if your original FP+ was for something close to closing. In that case, you get an extra entitlement good for anything the next day.
 

Disneyfamily4

Well-Known Member
You are incorrect. Auto GSR entitles you to a choice of related attractions, NOT any attraction. The exception is if your original FP+ was for something close to closing. In that case, you get an extra entitlement good for anything the next day.


I have the literature Disney sent me and it says, if a selected ride closes, dont worry, through Disney experience, a fast pass for any ride will be put on your band without you needing to do anything more.

It also says, for the people who selected fast passes during a ride closure, that on the front page of the My Disney experience ap, a Notification will be posted. You will also be sent a text, if your cell phone was given as a method of contact, alerting you to the fact that your fast pass ride was cancelled.
 
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wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
No doubt Disney is milking the "testing" aspect to give cover for the errors. I think part of the issue right now is that a greater number of people are using Fastpass in general than ever before (though I have no numbers to back that up). With so many new people learning to use the system and just using it in general, there are bound to be some increases in the FP entry line, especially when you factor in the time required to scan the Magic Bands.

I really do wonder what the overall sense of the system is from not just board members, but everyone who is using it. I tend to think that things are all relative and your response to something is based largely on your previous expectations. With that in mind, the park guest who used FP a lot and got into line quickly and was able to gather several FPs throughout the day in multiple parks sees this as a huge reduction in service. To the guest who never used fastpass out of either ignorance or the fact that it is their first trip compares the FP experience only to the stand-by one, in which case they probably see it as a good thing.

I admit that I'm a fan of MM+, but I'd be willing to also admit it is a failure if there were some broad numbers on public opinion, not just the opinion of these boards.

i undertsand what your saying, but its the same issue that has been brought up before. If guests had trouble figuring out legacy FP, then the same guests (mostly first timers) are gonna have the same problems utilizing FP+ to its full potential. The people that knew how to use legacy FP to the max are gonna find ways to use FP+ to their benefit. So now we are back where we started. Is Disney gonna have to change the sytem again in a few years because people are "abusing" the FP+ system?

If you look at other Disney boards online you will see mostly the same complaints. Heck, even on Disneys FB page people were ripping into MM+. There are MANY who love it though. I have said before, I dont like it, but it wont ruin my disney trip. But I will also be spending my disney dollars this year at DL now just because I do not any of my money being able to help TDO show wall street that this program is worth it.
 

Fractal514

Well-Known Member
i undertsand what your saying, but its the same issue that has been brought up before. If guests had trouble figuring out legacy FP, then the same guests (mostly first timers) are gonna have the same problems utilizing FP+ to its full potential. The people that knew how to use legacy FP to the max are gonna find ways to use FP+ to their benefit. So now we are back where we started. Is Disney have to change the sytem again in a few years because people are "abusing" the FP+ system?

If you look at other Disney boards online you will see mostly the same complaints. Heck, even on Disneys FB page people were ripping into MM+. There are MANY who love it though. I have said before, I dont like it, but it wont ruin my disney trip. But I will also be spending my disney dollars this year at DL now just because I do not any of my money being able to help TDO show wall street that this program is worth it.

I think that is the best way to respond if you don't like the new system. Honestly, there are lots of things about Disneyland that sound awesome, and I think Orlando could learn a lot from Anaheim.

I think part of my feeling towards MM+ also stems from the fact that I visit at slow times of the year. I don't know if I'd feel the same way in July, but then again, we've never seen the system during the summer, so who knows.
 

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
I think that is the best way to respond if you don't like the new system. Honestly, there are lots of things about Disneyland that sound awesome, and I think Orlando could learn a lot from Anaheim.



I think part of my feeling towards MM+ also stems from the fact that I visit at slow times of the year. I don't know if I'd feel the same way in July, but then again, we've never seen the system during the summer, so who knows.

It boils down to basic mathematics. Like you said, more people are now using FP. But there is still the same amount of attractions. It doesn't balance out. Disney thought it would even out by adding FP to existing attractions that didn't require it. But now when people arrive at the Teacups or COP to use their FP+ and the standby time is only 10 minutes they switch the FP+ to a different attraction. It's the same pie, just being cut differently now.
 

MrNonacho

Premium Member
I have the literature Disney sent me and it says, if a selected ride closes, dont worry, through Disney experience, a fast pass for any ride will be put on your band without you needing to do anything more.

And I'm looking at the automated downtime recovery grids right now and they still say that you're not getting on Soarin' just because Spaceship Earth is down.
 

Disneyfamily4

Well-Known Member
And I'm looking at the automated downtime recovery grids right now and they still say that you're not getting on Soarin' just because Spaceship Earth is down.

Are you at Disney right now? Is spaceship earth closed? Are you on my disney experience? what did the notification say? Or have not experienced it yet so really dont know?
 

Lord_Vader

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The finite number of resources being overly-demanded could be eased by simply building more attractions and shows, not by giving us a "method" to plan our day around the finite resources. Sure, the app is handy, but the price that came with it could have nearly eliminated most issues with long lines if they had used the money for much needed attractions. There is an attraction capacity problem, not a planning your day problem.

I am all in for new attractions, Disney has a much larger issue of infrastructure capacity that would be greatly stressed as they add more attractions. IMHO, the need for MM+ was born out of the need for additional methods to help softly manage the flow of guests through a park or parks. Look at all the resort infrastucture work going on to support the ever growing number of guests in and out of WDW, the new bus stops at MK, additional boat dock at TTC/MK to begin with.
 

stevehousse

Well-Known Member
I appreciate your answer but it still doesnt explain why there was never a line that long at FP entrance when legacy FP was operational.

Not trying to defend the system. I really am not for or against it, having used it. However, the reason the line is now outside of FP lines is because of scanning the bands. Before u just had to wave ur ticket and u were good to go. U usually ended up waiting a few minutes inside the FP que before u ride. It now seems the "wait" so to speak is to get In the FP line, but once u r in, there is no wait in the FP que anymore. This is what I have experienced during our "test"
 

PBarton

Active Member
The finite number of resources being overly-demanded could be eased by simply building more attractions and shows, not by giving us a "method" to plan our day around the finite resources. Sure, the app is handy, but the price that came with it could have nearly eliminated most issues with long lines if they had used the money for much needed attractions. There is an attraction capacity problem, not a planning your day problem.
Walt Disney:

"Here in Florida, we have something special we never enjoyed at Disneyland...the blessing of size. There's enough land here to hold all the ideas and plans we can possibly imagine."

Oh, the irony...
 

G8rchamps

Well-Known Member
For what its worth the FP+ line at BTMR had 3 loops of que and at one point stretched back to the bridge over Splash. I was only backed up about half that far and it took 8 minutes to get past the first green Mickey. Total time for the que and ride at about 20 mins, so really not that bad.

I DO think is is sad they have had to add que areas outside the FP entrances AND if I can get to the merge point faster then less standby guests get in front of me.
 

Cubfan300

Active Member
For what its worth the FP+ line at BTMR had 3 loops of que and at one point stretched back to the bridge over Splash. I was only backed up about half that far and it took 8 minutes to get past the first green Mickey. Total time for the que and ride at about 20 mins, so really not that bad.

I DO think is is sad they have had to add que areas outside the FP entrances AND if I can get to the merge point faster then less standby guests get in front of me.
One solution is to move the initial point farther up the queue, closer to the merge point. People will stop trying to get into it without the proper time/date/attraction after having to wait in the line and then have to troop past dozens of angry guests to get out of the queue. It is a small step, but something to help ease the congestion OUTSIDE of the current entry point. Nobody ever likes getting that stare from a lot of people.
 

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
I resent this entire post. I like MM+ and I am as far removed from what you describe as you can get. I am an after-school and summer camp director who speaks and writes on the subject of NOT over-scheduling our children and reclaiming free play and childhood in general. I am a staunch believer that children in this day and age are being overburdened by parents trying to "fit in" one more lesson or practice in some attempt to perfect their children.

That being said, MM+ is NOT about that. It is about scheduling, organizing, and keeping track of a litany of details that the average park attendee finds overwhelming. ADRs, Fastpasses, whatever other things you plan for on the trip, all of these are (supposedly) easier to manage on MM+. From Disney's end, they get better data on us and how to get money out of us.

The difference in the two situations is also quite substantial. In daily life there isn't a finite resource on play and fun, you can go outside and engage nature or other children to make your own experiences. In WDW, that isn't the case, there are finite resources that are being overly-demanded, such as specific restaurants and attractions. To have a method for allocating those resources makes sense; that fact that you don't like the method is irrelevant, it is just as good a method as any other (depending on your perspective).

You can hate on the program all you want, but please leave your personal hang-ups about how your DSIL is raising your nieces and nephews out of it. As far as checking out from reality, I fail to see how you couldn't still enjoy the parks without using MM+, you just might not get to eat where you want or ride everything without a wait. Or maybe, you want to have the best of both worlds, spontaneity and access, and you are just mad that you can't have them simultaneously.


Wow you really read a lot into a post my DSIL is doing a great job of raising HER kids in the way SHE feels best and they do great in school and on sports teams,

I'm an engineering manager in charge of critical customer projects and i'm connected 24x7 and communicating with teams across the globe.

What I want out of Disney is what USED to be there before MM+ sucked the life out of the parks, The ability to go there relax and turn off the world for a while, Not needing to be plugged into the internet so that you can schedule all your interactions with Disney.

I liked to wander the park and just watch people and ride the rides which struck my fancy at the moment, I might pull a FP and I might not, Being DVC for YEARS the commando touring is no longer our style.

At one time it was possible to recapture the wonder of being a child with your kids because of the low pressure environment. This is now gone
 

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