Lines at the FP+ entrances

katiekinzakat

Active Member
Does the "Clear Screen" button not work there? I've had touch points act a bit screwy and not let you hit the button once in a while but I don't think I've ever had it lock everything out for that long.

At all of the attractions I've worked at, the "Clear Screen" button usually only pops up for 3 or 4 seconds so if you don't get to it right away it disappears and you have no way of getting rid of the blue light, nor do you know what the issue was.
 

backinaction

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This sums everything up perfectly!

And the other "alleged" benefit of not having to ziz-zag around the parks to get FP's is invalid anyway, as you have to zig-zag around the park from rope drop to make sure you get to ride all your non FP+ reserved rides.
perfectly said. Disney took away unlimited fast pass and basically gave us 3 (1 at epcot because they force you to get 2 FP that you absolutely dont need at all) i'm so glad they spent a billion on putting a fast pass line on JIYI. After 20 years of Disney trips, Our next trip will be spent 100 % at US because we think they are investing their money into adding value for the customer. Its taking Disney years to put up a ride or 2, while US is blowing past them. It feels like Disney is taking advantage of the fact that they know attendance will go up year after year. Disney wont change their path until it affects the bottom line.
 

PBarton

Active Member
perfectly said. Disney took away unlimited fast pass and basically gave us 3 (1 at epcot because they force you to get 2 FP that you absolutely dont need at all)
Ha Ha, yes - we had at least 4 days at Epcot and always had either Test Track or Soarin' + Living with the Land and Mission Space.. The "Other 2" were always a waste, due to being a walk on 90% of the time. The CM at the FP+ entrance for Living with the Land has the easiest job in the whole of WDW, he looked so bored that we went through the FP+ queue just to give him something to do lol.

Must have saved us about 20 seconds of queueing in the proper line, money well spent Mr. Iger...
 

Disneyfamily4

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I would love to see the numbers at the end of the year, of how many people reserved a fast pass for a parade, fireworks, Captain EO, Journey, Idol and the rest of the attractions that fast pass was not needed for.
 

Tom Morrow

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The system has many flaws, but one thing I think people need to stop saying is: "the Fastpass queues never had a line to get in before!"

Actually, yes they did, very often. I can't even count how many times I've seen Expedition Everest's queue extend all the way to the bridge to Nemo the Musical. And the difference here is that the actual queue was full, too. In these cases, the line is for the first checkpoint, and the inside queue is mostly empty.

Not to throw the FP+ cast under the bus, but a main reason for a lot of the lines at FP+ is due to the CMs who work there. When FP+ was offered as a transfer opportunity, Disney struggled to find many CMs who wanted to leave their current positions to join the FP+ team. This is where things went COMPLETELY wrong. Most of the transfer requests came from people who had issues with their current managers, or were even FORCE transferred to FP+. This resulted in a less than stellar team being formed. Let's just say that the FP+ team is REALLY looked down upon by other areas, and a majority of guest complaints are made about the lack of courtesy and "rushed" feeling people experience when at FP+ kiosks. There is just a lack of care from the CMs who work there, and understandably so, considering what type of CMs were brought in to join the team.
Not entirely true. Actually, a large percentage of the staff were new hires with no experience as a CM. Some were temporarily forced to work there, but not for long. The main problem with the role is that it seems to have been created as a knee-jerk reaction that wasn't thought out well. What it should have been was sort of a mini-concierge or "guest relations jr." , something that required an interview to transfer to, where the CM's were given appropriate technical training and actual tools to fix problems for guests. Instead, they are little more than park greeters with very quick training, only there to answer questions about MM+ and FP+, without any actual tools to fix anything. The truth is, most will try to quickly manipulate the FP+ system to get you what you're trying to get, but beyond messing with the kiosk interface, there is little more that they can do. That is why you might feel rushed and unsatisfied, but don't blame them.
 

Tom Morrow

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I would love to see the numbers at the end of the year, of how many people reserved a fast pass for a parade, fireworks, Captain EO, Journey, Idol and the rest of the attractions that fast pass was not needed for.
Right now, it would be a lot, because the system assigns you these if nothing else is available anyway.
 

Disneyfamily4

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Right now, it would be a lot, because the system assigns you these if nothing else is available anyway.

That would depend on how the computer automatically picks them. They give you the option of letting them chose, but I would assume they would put in rides to make your experience better, not parades and fireworks.
 

Disneyfamily4

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I just went on my Disney Experience now and went to a day we were not planning on going to the parks. I let Disney chose the picks and with 3 options, not one parade or firework show was given to me as quick pick by Disney.
 

ratherbeinwdw

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If the fast pass lines had long queues, I never saw it and that is with me being there for two weeks in peak season. Never one time, have I ever waited more than a couple minutes to get on the ride. This is pretty much the reason people are complaining. They never waited before, but now they are.
We've never had to wait in fastpass lines more than 10 minutes and that was only for TSMM, Soarin' and PP.
Most of the time it was no more than a couple of minutes.
I've also never seen a long fastpass line before fastpass plus.
 

Disneyfamily4

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We've never had to wait in fastpass lines more than 10 minutes and that was only for TSMM, Soarin' and PP.
Most of the time it was no more than a couple of minutes.
I've also never seen a long fastpass line before fastpass plus.


Yeah with Soaring, it is to be expected, being your waiting for the show to finish up from the people who got on the ride before you. Same goes for Test Trek now that they make you make a car. But other than that, flash the paper and your able to walk right on in.
 

melflip8

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Got to experience FastPass+ this past weekend, and with a group of people it was a bit of a mess.

Situation:
Me - Resort Guest/Annual Season Passholder
Brother/Brother's GF - Local/FL Resident 3 Day Ticket Holder

The three of us showed up at Noon to Epcot, Soarin was gone for the day...we were told to check back at a kiosk every hour to see if it would open up. Myself ALONE could make changed on my MyMagic+ app, but my brother and his GF couldnt. Super annoying. There was one area in World Showcase with a Kiosk, that was one Cast Member with a tablet...it took 20 minutes to stand in line to get him to be able to check if there was availability.

For a person who doesn't roll into Disney at rope drop, pre-plan my day and who is going to be meeting us in the Parks...I was ridiculously annoyed.
 

MonorailMan

Active Member
I understand that the process of scanning bands is taking longer than the CM glancing at a piece of paper. In reality, the paper system did not require guests to stop - cast would glance at the ticket without the guest even stopping. The bands require the guest to physically stop, align the wrist, and wait for green. Factor in a few misreads and other issues, and you have a considerably longer FP entry time per guest.
Yes, I experienced this first hand... On my trip to Disney about a month ago, I went to Epcot where FP+ wasn't being used yet and I got a paper FP for Test Track and I was able to enter the FP line in about 2 seconds (the guy looked at the time on the FP and let us go through) yet when I went to MK where they were using FP+, it took about 10-15 seconds to enter the line because the had to scan you ticket, wristband, etc. The only real advantage of FP+ over old FP is that they aren't using paper. Otherwise, it seems like the FP system has become less efficient.
 

RSoxNo1

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Lines for Fastpass are nothing new. Lines outside the Fastpass queues themselves are nothing new either. The difference is, now the people in these lines outside the Fastpass queues actually have Fastpasses that are eligible for that time instead of the people that hovered around the entrance previously. The 5 minute grace period fixed one problem by My Magic+ created an entirely different one. With all that said, the scanning delays can be fixed - I don't expect that to be the new normal. The real concerns of Fastpass+ are it's employment where it doesn't belong, the pseudo requirement to book in advance, and the reduction in the amount of FP+ reservations one can get at the Magic Kingdom (meaning many people would get 5+ legacy FP per day).

Many other factors can cause back ups at the Fastpass line once a guest has passed the entrance area. Most of these are unrelated to My Magic+ and are more often related to down time at an attraction. I could have easily blamed my 45 minute wait for BTMR's FP line on My Magic + last month. The reality is they were having system issues that only allowed them to run two trains at once. There was an overall reduction in capacity that led to long standby and FP lines.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Got to experience FastPass+ this past weekend, and with a group of people it was a bit of a mess.

Situation:
Me - Resort Guest/Annual Season Passholder
Brother/Brother's GF - Local/FL Resident 3 Day Ticket Holder

The three of us showed up at Noon to Epcot, Soarin was gone for the day...we were told to check back at a kiosk every hour to see if it would open up. Myself ALONE could make changed on my MyMagic+ app, but my brother and his GF couldnt. Super annoying. There was one area in World Showcase with a Kiosk, that was one Cast Member with a tablet...it took 20 minutes to stand in line to get him to be able to check if there was availability.

For a person who doesn't roll into Disney at rope drop, pre-plan my day and who is going to be meeting us in the Parks...I was ridiculously annoyed.
This is another VERY REAL gripe with the new system. By tiering the entitlement they are forcing people to all have the same accommodations. The system is undeniable designed with Disney's best interests in mind, not the guests. This is why I keep plugging the Touring Plans Lines app. The motivation behind that is simple: Allow guests to do things as efficiently as possible. The primary benefactor of this is the guest. Conversely, the My Disney Experience app, while it has been improved recently is still utilized to benefit Disney more than the consumer. It's a guests window into the Fastpass+ system, a system that is a gigantic step backwards from what previously existed. It is riddled with caveats, exceptions and restrictions that simply weren't an issue with the previous system.
 

MonorailMan

Active Member
Your point is valid, but I feel that even if you put aside the fact of ride issues and issues not with My Magic +, you still see an increase in line waiting time. Prior to FP+, an average wait is the FP line was around 5 to 10 minutes, but now with the increased time of scanning the wristbands and issues with the wristbands, you see a wait time of potentially 20 minutes or more.

Example: I got a FP+ for Space Mountain and the stand-by line was 50 minutes, while it still took me about 20-25 minutes to make it on Space Mountain through the FP+ Line. Additionally, I noticed that when a person was having an issue with a wristband, it took an additional 20-30 second for them to get past the CM at the scanners. And when you think of about 30 extra seconds times the large amounts of people who have an issue scanning their wristband, it takes you considerably longer to actually get on the ride.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
Your point is valid, but I feel that even if you put aside the fact of ride issues and issues not with My Magic +, you still see an increase in line waiting time. Prior to FP+, an average wait is the FP line was around 5 to 10 minutes, but now with the increased time of scanning the wristbands and issues with the wristbands, you see a wait time of potentially 20 minutes or more.

Example: I got a FP+ for Space Mountain and the stand-by line was 50 minutes, while it still took me about 20-25 minutes to make it on Space Mountain through the FP+ Line. Additionally, I noticed that when a person was having an issue with a wristband, it took an additional 20-30 second for them to get past the CM at the scanners. And when you think of about 30 extra seconds times the large amounts of people who have an issue scanning their wristband, it takes you considerably longer to actually get on the ride.
Don't get me wrong, I hate FP+ and the numerous problems it has caused. However, 45 minute Fastpass lines are a sign of other issues beyond FP+.
 

Disneyfamily4

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Again, in over 15 years of going to Disney, for two weeks in the middle of peak season and and a few times during Easter, we never waited in a fast pass line ever. I have also never seen any threads in the past before FP+, where people are complaining about the lines for fast pass being so long. So therefore, I do not believe this crap about lines have always been there.

If anyone ever experienced a long fast pass line, it would be just a one time thing, but it definitely is not the norm, which people here are trying to say. For me in March and April, I am guessing I have been there 150 days in the past 10 years and not once have I waited in line at the fast pass. So I guess in peak season we would be considered the luckiest family in the world.
 

Goofyernmost

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Again, in over 15 years of going to Disney, for two weeks in the middle of peak season and and a few times during Easter, we never waited in a fast pass line ever. I have also never seen any threads in the past before FP+, where people are complaining about the lines for fast pass being so long. So therefore, I do not believe this crap about lines have always been there.

If anyone ever experienced a long fast pass line, it would be just a one time thing, but it definitely is not the norm, which people here are trying to say. For me in March and April, I am guessing I have been there 150 days in the past 10 years and not once have I waited in line at the fast pass. So I guess in peak season we would be considered the luckiest family in the world.
The problem is that the reports are usually from an observation made in a snapshot of time. It might be FP or it might be mechanical problems, no one knows for sure, but they walk by and see a particularly long FP line and assume something that could be so far off the path the even Mapquest would find the way out. Before if there was a long line, we assumed it was mechanical and didn't give it a second thought. Now there is a stranger in town and a handy scapegoat for anything that looks off.

So many things depend on the exact experience that one will find. Weather, light time or heavy times for attendance, mechanical situations that may be resolved quickly therefore they haven't shut down the line. There is a situation that many people have a lot of problem with. That is the limitation of the number of FP's that can be gotten in a single day. When that frustration takes hold, then any negative thought that can be mustered, will be. Change is not an easy thing to deal with, but, it must be dealt with. So, I am taking the stance that everything is OK until I am actually caught up in it and I absolutely know the reason why it is happening.
 

Disneyfamily4

Well-Known Member
The problem is that the reports are usually from an observation made in a snapshot of time. It might be FP or it might be mechanical problems, no one knows for sure, but they walk by and see a particularly long FP line and assume something that could be so far off the path the even Mapquest would find the way out. Before if there was a long line, we assumed it was mechanical and didn't give it a second thought. Now there is a stranger in town and a handy scapegoat for anything that looks off.

So many things depend on the exact experience that one will find. Weather, light time or heavy times for attendance, mechanical situations that may be resolved quickly therefore they haven't shut down the line. There is a situation that many people have a lot of problem with. That is the limitation of the number of FP's that can be gotten in a single day. When that frustration takes hold, then any negative thought that can be mustered, will be. Change is not an easy thing to deal with, but, it must be dealt with. So, I am taking the stance that everything is OK until I am actually caught up in it and I absolutely know the reason why it is happening.


Yeah with the pictures, nobody knows for sure what happened there, but people are posting those pictures, because other people have said they personally waited 30 minutes for Space mountain and 40 for Thunder.

Look around, it is not just this forum, people everywhere are complaining about long lines in the fast pass line. I dont think this is just a group of Disney haters writing all over the place false information. I think there is a pretty big problem right now and to say the fast pass lines have always had long lines is incorrect.
 

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