mightynine
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Nope.
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Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World
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MickeyLuv'r
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Huh, I might have mentioned exactly this situation/problem before this started....Fascinating.
The very high resort prices in combination with the tweets of people showing the amounts the paid, while in the park, to ride certain rides. People will start to factor all these fees, you don't pay up front, into their budgeting.
Buried20KLeague
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$400 for 18 minutes is even crazier than the starcruiser prices. By an astronomical amount.
Disney Analyst
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I can almost guarantee, if someone said they are on their last day of their trip, and can't use the Gift Card, Disney/GR would likely refund the CC.
So, I can sleep in, only waking temporarily at 7a and then again at 11a to grab my first two D+LLs; have a nice lunch at Disney Springs; then hit a park at 3 PM with 5 LL passes ready to go one right after another? [7 LLs ready to go if I buy the ILLs]
Um... Okay, I'm in!
el_super
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I don't necessarily disagree, but I think in general people are looking at this the wrong way still. You're buying the option of skipping the wait, not really buying the attraction experience itself. I know it seems hard to split the two, but there is a fundamental difference there.
Pragmatically, it makes sense to have ILL available for as many attractions as possible, because it offers another option, and everyone's circumstances may be different. It doesn't make sense to pay money to skip a 10 minute line for $7 today, but on other days, if Everest gets back up to 45 minutes, and someone has a lunch reservation or a flight to catch or what have you, for that person in that moment, it may absolutely make sense to spend the money. So it's in Disney's interest to offer the service there (of course assuming that the cost to operate any lightning lane is relatively minimal).
Attraction spending though is still being justified thru park admissions, and not the incremental revenue coming in from ILL. So I don't think they would build a ride thinking that they need to generate more ILL revenue, since that could come at the expense of actual park-admission revenue. You still build the big E-Tickets for everyone, and just find ways to manage crowds and balance the group that wants to pay nothing more to ride, versus the groups that don't mind paying money to skip the wait.
What does make sense, in a weird devilish sort of way, is maybe developing a "special" experience for people paying for Lightning Lane. Maybe, since they don't get the benefit of a full interactive queue, you give them a special pre-show experience that can only be seen if you pay the money to skip the main wait. Make that experience exciting enough, and people will pay just for the pre-show.
Buried20KLeague
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Probably.
But why not offer both as an option up front... Or better yet, if certain criteria are hit, make a refund button appear on the app and save any discussion with a Disney employee of any kind? That should be the more attractive approach to Disney anyway... Less manpower required. Automated system.
Patcheslee
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Playing along at home version of HS with LL since I have to be at work early:
7am: Smugglers Run for 9:30am
9:32am Muppets for 9:40am cause I don't want to walk far yet.
9:59am ToT for 10:35am, in theory I will grab a breakfast snack on the way
10:52am RnR for 12:00pm
Another snack
12:02pm Slinky for 7:45pm
12:03pm no new Slinky time
12:05pm still no Slinky
12:15pm Go to Disney Junior (no Genie+ )because DD13 needs to wear out
1:15pm watch Mickey parade
1:30pm Walt Presents
2:04pm Frozen for 2:05pm *walk quickly across park*
2:18pm BatB for 3:40pm
3:00pm eat lunch
.....
You're assuming a competent IT department....
Notes from Neverland
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All dependent on availability, which I think it's far too early to know what availability will look like on average days. It might be slim pickings by the 1pm booking time.
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
Thinking they need to allow that 2 hour window to begin at 7am if you book your first at that time rather than 9am being the time that clock starts for everyone (or am I misunderstanding how it works)
GhostHost1000
Premium Member
That would be nice if it were reality. I know it may be possible but is it likely those would be options like that?
Jeff4272
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Its not 1%, Where are you getting this math?
it's 10-15% for us (depending on your family size)........
For my family of 5 with 7 park days the math is:
5 x $15 = $75 per day x 7 days = $525 for Genie+ for the 7 days
$15 for ROTR and $7 for MMRR (lets just round down to $20 for the sake of argument) is another $20 x 5 = $100 per day x 7 days = $700
So now thats $1,225 for my trip.......
Last I checked, $1,225 is 12.25% more than $10,000
If you dont mind paying up 12.25% for something you got FOR FREE for the last 10+ years then I got a bridge for sale you might want to look at
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SplashJacket
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Given that less people (especially passholders) will use Genie+ when compared to Fastpass, if you ignore the monetary aspect it is an upgrade.
So it’s not exactly accurate to say that you’re now being charged for something you previously got for free.
Jeff4272
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It does begin at 7am.........
The second booking is either 2 hours after park opening (so if park doesnt open until 11am, second one is at 1pm unless you ride your first ride between 11am-1pm)
OR
after you check into your first ride, whatever comes first
nickys
Premium Member
No reason each park will always have two. There is a very good argument for only having one at AK and Epcot.
Jeff4272
Well-Known Member
I dont think i follow you.....If you dont use it (meaning pay for it), how can it be an upgrade?
what AP holders will use Genie+?
If an AP holder used to go once a week, the cost PER PERSON is now an additional $1,820 PER PERSON for Genie+ and 2 IAS per visit for the year.......
Now make it 2x per week for a family of 4 and the new cost would be $14,560 for your family of 4 (on top of the cost of each AP)
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