Splash4eva
Well-Known Member
So playing by the rules and doing the same others can do is abuse. Got it…Absolutely abuse
So playing by the rules and doing the same others can do is abuse. Got it…Absolutely abuse
i just read thee rules I stand correctedSo playing by the rules and doing the same others can do is abuse. Got it…
I personally don't think there is a lot of abuse happening with DAS. What I think is happening is more people are using than they did in the past.
It's due to cost of Genie+ and Genie+ not as flexible for planning.
@Splash4eva will not be satisfied until you provide an exhaustive list of names of every individual who has ever lied on their DAS application, with video evidence and a note from a doctor affirming that they do not require any accommodations.You assume it is a money grab but how does that make sense? The people who need it will still get it under the new system so the only ones who will have to pay not to wait in a physical line are the ones who are taking advantage. If the abuse is as small as you seem to think it will not amount to any real money for Disney.
With that in mind, why would they risk all the negative press, all the pushback, the potential lawsuits and monetary damages, all the angry guests to change something that does not generate any real additional revenue?
Here is what we do know.
- The previous system was being abused so Disney changed it.
- They were challenged in court and proved that it was being abused.
- In the ten years since, Disney has become more expensive and more crowded.
- G+ was introduced removing the free, FP+.
- Little to no additional capacity was added to handle the increased crowds.
Which one of those factors makes you think there is LESS incentive to cheat now vs. the last time they changed it?
Even if we throw all that aside, you keep saying they would stop it if it was happening. Well, by changing the system, they are doing exactly that.
Bottom line, what we all want is for the abuse to stop, not ruin the system for those that need it.
To be fair, as long as they're also not in line for other rides, it's fair for them to be allowed to ride the same ride over and over again.Riding the same high demand attraction multiple times in a day using DAS probably is abuse in the eyes of many.
Then Disney needs to go the Universal route and use a third party and DAS users need to start showing proof.You’re delusional. I literally hear people talking about getting DAS even though they don’t need it because it’s a free fast pass every time I ride the bus.
Been saying that all this time. One of my 1st comments. Cut the crap of privacy esp now that its literally on a zoom call and if you do it in person ask for somewhere private at city hall. For years i would bring documentation even tho it wasnt needed before they went to the new system. Anyone with legit needs would Embrace this not argue it… i do my zoom call i tell them why i need it and my issues etc. No beating around the bush at all.What’s interesting is I never hear people who actually need DAS complain about Disney potentially requiring verification. Abusers, though, get up in arms about their rights.
Exactly. If Disney changes DAS, which @wdwmagic seems to think, we will know that DAS is NOT working as Disney intended. If DAS is working exactly as Disney wants, there will be no changes coming. Simple.You assume it is a money grab but how does that make sense? The people who need it will still get it under the new system so the only ones who will have to pay not to wait in a physical line are the ones who are taking advantage. If the abuse is as small as you seem to think it will not amount to any real money for Disney.
With that in mind, why would they risk all the negative press, all the pushback, the potential lawsuits and monetary damages, all the angry guests to change something that does not generate any real additional revenue?
Here is what we do know.
- The previous system was being abused so Disney changed it.
- They were challenged in court and proved that it was being abused.
- In the ten years since, Disney has become more expensive and more crowded.
- G+ was introduced removing the free, FP+.
- Little to no additional capacity was added to handle the increased crowds.
Which one of those factors makes you think there is LESS incentive to cheat now vs. the last time they changed it?
Even if we throw all that aside, you keep saying they would stop it if it was happening. Well, by changing the system, they are doing exactly that.
Bottom line, what we all want is for the abuse to stop, not ruin the system for those that need it.
Then Disney needs to go the Universal route and use a third party and DAS users need to start showing proof.
It is less about lying and more that, based on how many people in the parks on a given day are eligible for DAS (or, in the case presented, the prior program), they somehow utilize a shockingly disproportionate amount of the express queue capacity. Simply put, it means the service is not functioning as intended if it’s just supposed to level the playing field and not create a distinct advantage.If Disney had any hard evidence anyone has lied about DAS they would be easily able to stop them.
Yep you caught me. Not one person on the inside can provide any insight at all to what % people are getting DAS by “fraud”. Its a simple question to ask when people are so adamant abuse is supposedly rampant@Splash4eva will not be satisfied until you provide an exhaustive list of names of every individual who has ever lied on their DAS application, with video evidence and a note from a doctor affirming that they do not require any accommodations.
Short of that, we must assume that everything is perfect exactly as it is now. It’s the only logical conclusion.
It most certainly is not. You still have to “wait” the same amount of time minus five minutes each time; are you proposing only allowing standby riders to ride RotR once per day?Absolutely abuse
Then thats not abuse thats Disneys fault and their own set of rules DAS users are playing. Again seems like we have moved the goal posts yet again from abuse/people lying to DAS users are taken up too much of the LL capacity…It is less about lying and more that, based on how many people in the parks on a given day are eligible for DAS (or, in the case presented, the prior program), they somehow utilize a shockingly disproportionate amount of the express queue capacity. Simply put, it means the service is not functioning as intended if it’s just supposed to level the playing field and not create a distinct advantage.
I would think it’s lawful to ask for proof provided you have the right credentials and ducks in a row, hence why USO hired a third party who probably knew the legalities of ADA better. How is it any different from a citation issued to a vehicle parked in a handicapped spot that is missing its placard? Yes, if someone is clearly handicapped visually, the cops might let it slide, but generally speaking you have to apply for and carry proof of it to utilize the accommodation of closeR spacesHas this been challenged in court yet because it sounds all kinds of illegal.
If someone comes to the park and asks for an accomodation, the park cannot say no because they didn't fill out the proper paperwork.
Universal has been doing it that way for awhile and they have had no issues.Has this been challenged in court yet because it sounds all kinds of illegal.
If someone comes to the park and asks for an accomodation, the park cannot say no because they didn't fill out the proper paperwork.
I’m talking about my personal goalposts. You might be going back and forth with people in this topic who are saying different, nuanced things. Shocker.Then thats not abuse thats Disneys fault and their own set of rules DAS users are playing. Again seems like we have moved the goal posts yet again from abuse/people lying to DAS users are taken up too much of the LL capacity…
This is where I’m at.Yep you caught me. Not one person on the inside can provide any insight at all to what % people are getting DAS by “fraud”. Its a simple question to ask when people are so adamant abuse is supposedly rampant
Nobody has, or needs to provide, that specific number. You’re trying to make your claim unfalsifiable by asking a question nobody could possibly have the answer to.Yep you caught me. Not one person on the inside can provide any insight at all to what % people are getting DAS by “fraud”. Its a simple question to ask when people are so adamant abuse is supposedly rampant
Nobody knows the actual number. What I do know is that with the increase in guests using DAS that it's having an effect on Genie+ availability.Yep you caught me. Not one person on the inside can provide any insight at all to what % people are getting DAS by “fraud”. Its a simple question to ask when people are so adamant abuse is supposedly rampant
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