el_super
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Yes. And I think the solution would be a tap point in the SB line.
Yep. Which generally speaking.. they already have the hardware and infrastructure to support.
Yes. And I think the solution would be a tap point in the SB line.
Actually, yes, you do need to provide that to prove your assertion is true. You are the one making the claim(s); burden of proof is not on the defense.Nobody has, or needs to provide, that specific number. You’re trying to make your claim unfalsifiable by asking a question nobody could possibly have the answer to.
It’s been documented in court that disabled guests and their parties consume a disproportionate percentage of ride capacity. Whether that’s due to abuse or just a flawed system, it suggests that something should change. TWDC has access to a lot more data than any of us do and they’ve apparently reached the same conclusion.
You can continue to insist that everything is hunky dory, but that would just put you in, as a JC skipper would say, disbelief.
For a start international guests. Certainly people can’t register in advance from the UK so they have to go to Guest Services when they arrive. And they should have no objections to showing proof because that’s what happens here.I think the issue would be if they denied it to people who showed up at the park and asked for an accomodation. They can utilize the service for pre-booking DAS, but they have to have a mechanism to allow people who show up to request an accommodation.
And they can, but they need to provide proof. That’s where the core change should be; regardless of whether you preschedule or show up asking, there is nothing illegal asking for proof of the accommodation neededI think the issue would be if they denied it to people who showed up at the park and asked for an accomodation. They can utilize the service for pre-booking DAS, but they have to have a mechanism to allow people who show up to request an accommodation.
I would think in this age of computers information can be sent to Disney in advanceFor a start international guests. Certainly people can’t register in advance from the UK so they have to go to Guest Services when they arrive. And they should have no objections to showing proof because that’s what happens here.
This is not a court of law. I have no burden to prove anything. This is a public square where anyone can express their opinions freely, and others can take from it what they wish. All signs point to the current system not working. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and shout “LA LA LA” until someone produces ironclad documentation proving as much beyond reasonable doubt, you are free to do so, but don’t pretend that you are engaging in good-faith dialog on the subject.Actually, yes, you do need to provide that to prove your assertion is true. You are the one making the claim(s); burned of proof is not on the defense.
And you can continue to cite a study from TEN years ago, in a DIFFERENT system.
No denies there will always be some gaming the system, but it’s up to you if you claim it’s rampant to provide proof of said rampant misuse, not just “it makes sense”.
I’m confused. I thought that’s exactly what the ADA prevents.there is nothing illegal asking for proof of the accommodation needed
Again, yes you do. You are the one saying it’s rampant and beyond what one would normally expect (every system will have “gamers”). Where is your proof that it’s more then your typical loophole users? For the CURRENT system. Again, provide the proof. Otherwise your speculation and view is the same as mine, an unproven opinionThis is not a court of law. I have no burden to prove anything. This is a public square where anyone can express their opinions freely, and others can take from it what they wish. All signs point to the current system not working. If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and shout “LA LA LA” until someone produces ironclad documentation proving as much beyond reasonable doubt, you are free to do so, but don’t pretend that you are engaging in good-faith dialog on the subject.
They won’t do it now. And my guess is that’s because of GDPR.I would think in this age of computers information can be sent to Disney in advance
I could be wrong I’m not a lawyer. But like my example earlier, when I’m driving up to Walmart, I can’t just park in a handicap spot without a placard (that you have to apply to get) and scream “I don’t need proof of my disability to park here”. So it doesn’t make sense to me that the government can ask for proof to accommodate but a private party can’t?I’m confused. I thought that’s exactly what the ADA prevents.
Don’t ask me, I’m from the UK.I could be wrong I’m not a lawyer. But like my example earlier, when I’m driving up to Walmart, I can’t just park in a handicap spot without a placard (that you have to apply to get) and scream “I don’t need proof of my disability to park here”. So it doesn’t make sense to me that the government can ask for proof to accommodate but a private party can’t?
I could be wrong I’m not a lawyer. But like my example earlier, when I’m driving up to Walmart, I can’t just park in a handicap spot without a placard (that you have to apply to get) and scream “I don’t need proof of my disability to park here”. So it doesn’t make sense to me that the government can ask for proof to accommodate but a private party can’t?
Jealous. Would love to live thereDon’t ask me, I’m from the UK.
I’m confused. I thought that’s exactly what the ADA prevents.
You would have a better point if we were talking about some random people making claims out of the blue. However, in this case, we have people who are known to have inside information, who have good, long track records, which are all separately confirming that this is a known problem Disney is looking to address.Actually, yes, you do need to provide that to prove your assertion is true. You are the one making the claim(s); burned of proof is not on the defense.
And you can continue to cite a study from TEN years ago, in a DIFFERENT system.
No denies there will always be some gaming the system, but it’s up to you if you claim it’s rampant to provide proof of said rampant misuse, not just “it makes sense”.
Actually, yes, you do need to provide that to prove your assertion is true. You are the one making the claim(s); burden of proof is not on the defense.
I suspect that you’re going to get some pushback on this one. It is great for you that you have have learned how to poweruse DAS to such an extent that you get to ride the same tier 1 attraction multiple times in a day and you have it maximized so you are always doing something else (like eating dinner) while everyone else is standing in line. However, comments like this do not help advance your argument that there is no DAS abuse…. I have dinner booked why wouldnt i have a top tier ride ready to go once dinner is finished
For starters im trying to be as transparent and honest as possible… feel if im gonna have a debate/convo about DAS going to give the full story. Next regarding what you are saying. I dont feel like thats abusing the system or power using it. Its within all guidelines Disney allows and tell me anyone who would not take advantage of that? Again it is one of the bonuses of DAS which allows you to basically get a free ride during the day… abuse is an extremely strong word especially when we are using that term regarding people who are literally lying and committing fraud to obtain it.I suspect that you’re going to get some pushback on this one. It is great for you that you have have learned how to poweruse DAS to such an extent that you get to ride the same tier 1 attraction multiple times in a day and you have it maximized so you are always doing something else (like eating dinner) while everyone else is standing in line. However, comments like this do not help advance your argument that there is no DAS abuse…
There's definitely different kinds of "abuse." People lying to take advantage of the system are a huge problem and it sounds like we can both agree that constitutes "abuse." However, do you at least agree that you are likely using the system in a way that Disney didn't intend when they designed it? Can you concede that if every single DAS user used the system the way you are, then it would be responsible for a lot of the capacity problems we are seeing now?For starters im trying to be as transparent and honest as possible… feel if im gonna have a debate/convo about DAS going to give the full story. Next regarding what you are saying. I dont feel like thats abusing the system or power using it. Its within all guidelines Disney allows and tell me anyone who would not take advantage of that? Again it is one of the bonuses of DAS which allows you to basically get a free ride during the day… abuse is an extremely strong word especially when we are using that term regarding people who are literally lying and committing fraud to obtain it.
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