Lame excuse for nightlife?

hardcard

New Member
You know what I was at nine dragons with my wife, and the guy at the table next to us was using a four letter word every other sentence. You know what I did, I got up walked over and explained that it was not acceptable and he stopped and bought us a round of drinks. Situation solved, we didn't call security and I didn't have any bad thoughts about disney because of it. There are people all over who act lewd, you can't change that. Doesn't make disney a red light district.

When you have 46 million people coming to visit the parks a year your going to get all kinds. YOU need to get a clue, your naive to think disney can weed out those type of people, and it doesn't make disney look bad because they can't. But I think you know this and just like to stir up trouble with the people who like PI by being negative, and when someone pokes you about it you get all bent out of shape like you did. I even mentioned you would in the initial post mr. thin skinned.

And when I asked the guy on the monorail (new story here) to stop lighting things on fire while we were in transit from epcot to TTC he wanted to 'kick my ______'.....

my point is, not everyone appreciates (though they should) being 'corrected' when they are doing something wrong..

again... whats with the personal attacks? do you not have a legitimate point to make? Go flame someone else, I'm not interested. but, whats wrong with posting my opinion of what I LIKE about the new plan?

and for what its worth... I'm sure you wouldn't call me mr thin skin, or any other name to my face.... take your little 20 posts, and your 'joined within the last month' attitude, and go away...
 

overdrive

New Member
Original Poster
Screamscape, and others had the stats..only appox 5-10 % of "vacationers" ever used P.I.
It was primarily..for singles and locals.
Families account for over 90% of WDW and D.L. business.
That is fact.
Families dont abandon their kids for a night of binge drinking and frolic.
As for "seedy" that was the term WDW was using "internally" to describe the kind of people hanging out there towards the end of P.I.'s existance.
It was more politically correct than other terms.
However, none of this matters....cause P.I. is no more! and it AINT comin' back. It is like the elimination of the wicked witch! REJOICE!


Oh yes the facts like that little nugget? That turns out to be millions of people went to PI in a year. Wow that really supports your point, you seemed to conveniently forget about that comment. Or was it because your comment was hearsay that can't be backed up. No matter.

We understand you don't like clubs, dancing or AC. We don't care, 99% of the people posting on this thread do and enjoy talking about it. Just because your a troll who enjoys fishing for attention on the site doesn't make you correct. It only shows that you are a very sad little man. Move on and find some people who actually care. Start a I hate PI thread and chat it up over there.
 

SirGoofy

Member
Read my previous post.It is right there where the word "seedy" came from
You dont like opposing point of view do you?
You think 2 first hand accounts "account" for all that goes on there.
That makes absolutey no sense.
My 3 year old would talk like that.
I expect more of you.

And what was the name of the Imagineer who said it? I don't listen to podcasts, I'm curious. Especially since all the ones I personally know weren't really fond of the idea of closing the clubs.

I'm fine with opposing points of view. When they make sense. And no, I don't think my experiences are the only ones that matter.

But like I said, I spent 5 months at the place. And I would figure if these seedy elements were so prevalent I would be bound to run into them eventually. And I didn't.I would that that would account for a pretty substantial view, at least more so than someone who went to PI once.

And I would also figure the view of a DTD security guard would be a ver good viewpoint to bring to this discussion. And as she was a guard there for a few months before the clubs closed, and never had to deal with anything major, including gangs and thugs, I would think that would be an indication as to PI not being incredibly "seedy."
 

sknydave

Active Member
Is this the same person who posted that Walt was against alcohol in a Disney theme park and never responded when I asked why Walt created Club 33?
 

overdrive

New Member
Original Poster
And when I asked the guy on the monorail (new story here) to stop lighting things on fire while we were in transit from epcot to TTC he wanted to 'kick my ______'.....

my point is, not everyone appreciates (though they should) being 'corrected' when they are doing something wrong..

again... whats with the personal attacks? do you not have a legitimate point to make? Go flame someone else, I'm not interested.

You just need to stay home from the way it sounds, pole humping and lighting the monorail on fire what else bad has happened to you in the "happiest place on earth". This isn't a disney bashing site if you haven't noticed.

You started the personal attacks by bashing something that most of the people in this thread enjoy, are you that thick headed(new analogy here) not to figure that out. You and alec need to go start your own thread and have a good old time bashing disney.
 

CaptainMichael

Well-Known Member
If you want bars and clubs, go to bourbon street in New Orleans..
Last time I checked, there is no Adventurers Club there; however, there are some adventures to be found for sure....just not my cup of tea.


Great post. With common sense.
P.I. was horrible IMHO. Good riddance.
WDW greatest decision EVER was to finally close P.I.
VERY VERY few vacationers will miss it, locals (seedy ones) WILL miss it.
It was no secret that there were issues will the type of folks hanging out there.
P.I. was the opposite of what Disney is all about.
As stated above, if you want to bar hop, go somewhere else.
If folks cant go on a family vacation (as over 90% of WDW business is families) and not bar hop...then maybe one needs to get better habits.
If you want nightlife...goto ESPN club. Have a drink and watch a game.
You wouldn't know common sense if it hit you in the head, troll.

The best CM's and coolest people I've come to know in Orlando were patrons of the Adventurers Club and Pleasure Island. None of them have a seedy bone in their body.

And last but not least, this brain fart: "P.I. was the opposite of what Disney is all about."
:ROFLOL:That is just absurd! So absurd that I can't even wrap my head around that twisted logic. Please, sir....help me understand how something as purely Disney as Adventurers Club was the "opposite of what Disney is all about."

End rant...for now.
I apologize if I come acrossed as angry, but....well, I am.
AC meant a lot to me. More so than a couple of the Disney parks. I take any attack on it personally, and will defend it to my dying breath.
The Adventurers Club is Disney. Walt would have been very impressed.

You know things...?:D
I know that I'll be inside the club on September 25, 2009...a year after its alleged closing.

Nothing concrete.
Just...reading between the lines. Adding up bits and pieces.
Hoping that where there's smoke, there's Fingers...:)
I continue to remain cautiously optimistic. The fact that Lansberry called me two weeks ago denying it actually makes me wonder:ROFLOL: It's very interesting that the liquor licenses were renewed for only AC, Motion, and SS.

I feel like this may be a bit of a...hoopla!

HOOPLA!!!!! (read that as a "seedy" as it can sound)
 

hardcard

New Member
You just need to stay home from the way it sounds, pole humping and lighting the monorail on fire what else bad has happened to you in the "happiest place on earth". This isn't a disney bashing site if you haven't noticed.

You started the personal attacks by bashing something that most of the people in this thread enjoy, are you that thick headed(new analogy here) not to figure that out. You and alec need to go start your own thread and have a good old time bashing disney.

Not bashing disney.. If anything, I am defending disney.. I'm afraid the ones that can't get past PI closing are the ones 'bashing disney'..

and I quote

"Open the clubs. Idiots!"

I didn't SAY/TYPE anything negative in this thread about the clubs.. just what the prospects are.. however unpopular, they are true.. Sorry if you are having trouble deciminating those two things..


and finally... it's a discussion board... with varying opinions.. if you can't handle that.. you should leave. I'm done feeding trolls.
 

overdrive

New Member
Original Poster
Not bashing disney.. If anything, I am defending disney.. I'm afraid the ones that can't get past PI closing are the ones 'bashing disney'..

and I quote

"Open the clubs. Idiots!"

and finally... it's a discussion board... with varying opinions.. if you can't handle that.. you should leave.


We enjoyed PI which was and is Disney and we wish to discuss it without negative thin skined people chiming in. You have yet to say anything positive about Disney and your posting shows you need to leave this thread, what don't you get about that. Or maybe another 5 or 6 people need to call you a troll for it to sink in.
 

hardcard

New Member
We enjoyed PI which was and is Disney and we wish to discuss it without negative thin skined people chiming in. You have yet to say anything positive about Disney and your posting shows you need to leave this thread, what don't you get about that. Or maybe another 5 or 6 people need to call you a troll for it to sink in.



Yet to say anything positive? I constantly have said that I am EXCITED to see what new offersings Disney is planning for PI.. How is that negative?

The thread is called "Lame excuse for nightlife?" . that statement in itself is negative.... I DON'T agree that it's a lame excuse for nightlight... You posed it as a question.. 'asking' for feedback.. I'm sorry my feedback wasn't what you wanted.

You SEE it as negative because I dont AGREE with your 'view'.... Which is fine.. but again, you continue to name call....
 

hardcard

New Member
Let's go guys. Keep it civil.

I agree... I felt we had moved on and were discussing real issues, not interested in the name calling..

moreover, my wife just reminded me of this issue:

Thursday, August 14, 2008
Downtown Disney Arrest

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) Authorities say a registered ______ offender was arrested after inappropriately touching a girl at Downtown Disney.
Twenty-four-year-old Jose Angel Pamblanco Morales was arrested Wednesday on charges of lewd and lascivious molestation of a child under the age of 12.
He is being held at the Orange County Jail without bond.
Jail spokesman Allen Moore says Morales is to appear in court Thursday.
A sheriff's arrest report says Morales touched an 11-year-old girl's buttocks while she was looking at a magnet in a store.
Morales then allegedly showed the girl a cell phone picture of an adult woman in a bikini.
The arrest report says Morales is a registered ______ offender.




That combined with the pipe bomb a little bit back in 2007 might have been big catalysts... profitability could have been 'excuses'...... who knows? :shrug:

Having said ALL of that.. if the AC is to be demolished.. I hope that Disney DOES reuse the concept somewhere else on property.. After all the passionate views posted here by everyone, it's obvious that it's of value.
 

Lee

Adventurer
P.I. closed because of this fact: it was a failure. WDI, did not like the "seedy" element to it. That is word for word. and, it lost money...
Sir, again you are wrong.
I'll say this again in hopes that perhaps you will get it this time:
Pleasure Island was closed because of purely financial reasons.

Fact: Disney bean counters decided that it wasn't making enough money (note I said "enough", as it was indeed profitable as a whole), and concocted a plan to lease the space out to third-party operations in hopes to increase profit while minimizing expense. Purely a bottom-line decision.

Fact: The only thing scheduled to open anytime soon on PI is....wait for it...a tequila bar. Yep. A bar. Wow, that will surely keep out any seedy elements, huh?
Where does that fit into your logic? They close bars because they weren't Disney enough, and replace them with...another bar. Hmmmm...I sense a flaw in that theory.

Fact: Any random CM or Imagineer who happend to go on a podcast and say that he thinks PI failed, or was attracting a bad element is most certainly in the minority. Since PI closed, I have had discussions with people from TDO, WDI and even Burbank about the situation. One thing became obvious. Every single one of them mourned the closing of PI, and especially the AC. Every one. This ranges from random CMs all the way to people with titles containing the letters V and P. Also, every single one, without fail, stated that the decision was a bad one, and was the product of the bean counters being able to override the wishes of not only the creative minds, but even a large portion of DTD management.

Fact: The only people who are in favor of the closures, seem to be those who
A) Are against any sort of adult-oriiented nightlife at WDW (apparently you)
or B) People with children who just want somewhere else to take them.

Final Fact: Told to me by someone with an office in that big cool building across the street from PI, you know the one, the one with all the suits, and I quote directly from the email: "If the decision were being made today, it would be done differently. The Adventurers Club would still be open, as well as at least one of the dance clubs."

End of story. Will that ever be admitted publically? Who knows.:shrug:

As for the whole "losing money" argument...not so. From what I have been told, the Island as a whole was not losing money at all. In fact it was making a modest profit. Some clubs, including the AC, were doing fine, while others were not. The ones not pulling their weight drug down the profitability of the Island as a whole. Their answer? Shut them all down. They cut off the nose to spite the face. A bad decision, which is being regretted, and rethought, within the company.

Is PI, specifically AC, gone for good? Somehow, I think not.

Kungafreakinloosh!:wave:
 

overdrive

New Member
Original Poster
I agree... I felt we had moved on and were discussing real issues, not interested in the name calling..

moreover, my wife just reminded me of this issue:

Thursday, August 14, 2008
Downtown Disney Arrest

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) Authorities say a registered ______ offender was arrested after inappropriately touching a girl at Downtown Disney.
Twenty-four-year-old Jose Angel Pamblanco Morales was arrested Wednesday on charges of lewd and lascivious molestation of a child under the age of 12.
He is being held at the Orange County Jail without bond.
Jail spokesman Allen Moore says Morales is to appear in court Thursday.
A sheriff's arrest report says Morales touched an 11-year-old girl's buttocks while she was looking at a magnet in a store.
Morales then allegedly showed the girl a cell phone picture of an adult woman in a bikini.
The arrest report says Morales is a registered ______ offender.




That combined with the pipe bomb a little bit back in 2007 might have been big catalysts... profitability could have been 'excuses'...... who knows? :shrug:

Having said ALL of that.. if the AC is to be demolished.. I hope that Disney DOES reuse the concept somewhere else on property.. After all the passionate views posted here by everyone, it's obvious that it's of value.

Its remaining civil, your really good at coming up with negative stuff. I don't see where it reads in that blurb the sexual offender really liked hanging out at PI or that the pipe bomber enjoyed 8 trax. What does that have to do with anything.

Yes you stated your opinion about the new stage then went on to start bashing and are continuing to do so. Im all fished out, you caught me. lol
 

hardcard

New Member
At that point the decision had already been made.

And nowhere does it say that happened at PI, just DTD.

I can agree with that.. maybe they felt PI was the epicenter of the problem? I don't know... Maybe this issue, and the pipe bomb had NOTHING to do with it and it was 'just business'.. either way, we'll probably never know..

Again, I don't know if it was 'seedy' people (not my words here, just repeating), the environment, or finance..

Sadly enough, security had to 'let the guy go' in the case of the sicko-pole-humping.. while we were talking with them, they were called away to a fist fight going on somewhere else in the area...

I haven't noticed as many groups of 'teens' hanging in DTD like I used to.. they used to hang near the Lego store, and DEFINATELY at McDonalds, but I haven't noticed it lately.. I'll make a point to look around next time we're out there..
 

SirGoofy

Member
Final Fact: Told to me by someone with an office in that big cool building across the street from PI, you know the one, the one with all the suits, and I quote directly from the email: "If the decision were being made today, it would be done differently. The Adventurers Club would still be open, as well as at least one of the dance clubs."

End of story. Will that ever be admitted publically? Who knows.:shrug:
Is PI, specifically AC, gone for good? Somehow, I think not.

:D

Them even privately admitting it was a mistake is a pretty big freakin' deal to me.

And just reinforces the whispers I've been hearing out of Orlando.

Kungafreakinloosh!:wave:

*Does club salute*
 

overdrive

New Member
Original Poster
I can agree with that.. maybe they felt PI was the epicenter of the problem? I don't know... Maybe this issue, and the pipe bomb had NOTHING to do with it and it was 'just business'.. either way, we'll probably never know..

Again, I don't know if it was 'seedy' people (not my words here, just repeating), the environment, or finance..

Sadly enough, security had to 'let the guy go' in the case of the sicko-pole-humping.. while we were talking with them, they were called away to a fist fight going on somewhere else in the area...

I haven't noticed as many groups of 'teens' hanging in DTD like I used to.. they used to hang near the Lego store, and DEFINATELY at McDonalds, but I haven't noticed it lately.. I'll make a point to look around next time we're out there..


There was a sicko at the Swan and Dolphin pool last year molesting little girls, you don't hear them talking about closing the resort. So obviously that had nothing to do with it. The sicko's are everywhere, thats the point. Disney can't weed them all out, its impossible. So to suggest that PI was an epicenter is silly.

Of course you haven't seen any groups of teens hanging out, the place is like a ghost town nobody is hanging out there. Which is why it was a bad choice to close all the clubs like Lee accounted for in his post.
 

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