Kevin says Crush is coming

[sorcerergoofy]

Because The Living Seas is a Future World pavilion. :brick:

I am all for creative theming, but simply putting an un-original kid-friendly overlay onto a ride that is supposed to be about future technology and future life is just wrong. Additionally, all the ride does is rehash the movie. "I'm not going to lose you again Nemo!" No creativity. No original thought. NOT what belongs at a park designed to promote the future and world communitues. THAT is why so many of us are against Nemo being in the Seas (though obviously not enough of us). Nemo ruined a very well themed attraction at EPCOT. Nemo belongs in the Magic Kingdom or at DAK. Not at EPCOT.

I am in EPCOT 20+ days a year, and I will not set foot in the Seas pavilion again until the ride is de-Nemoified, nor will I purchase any Nemo related media or toys. I liked "Finding Nemo" when I saw it in theaters, but I have grown to hate it because of the changes it brought to the Seas. I realize it sounds silly, and it sounds over-the-top, but it is how I have grown to feel. Clown fish are the enemy of EPCOT.

:ROFLOL:You are taking this waaaay too seriously! I mean, I understand what you are saying, but the fact you "will not set foot in the Seas pavilion again until the ride is de-Nemoified, nor will I purchase any Nemo related media or toys" is a bit much IMO! Before Nemo, that pavilion was extremely dull, and we never went there. Now, it's a must for every trip!

 

[Alektronic]

They VERY seriously looked at the Incredibles for Tomorrowland.

The ride concept was very similar to Harry Potter Forbidden Journey, maybe it was like Beastly Kingdom? Disney wouldn't build it, then the ride concept ended up at Universal where they would spend the money to build it?

 

[Lee]

The ride concept was very similar to Harry Potter Forbidden Journey, maybe it was like Beastly Kingdom? Disney wouldn't build it, then the ride concept ended up at Universal where they would spend the money to build it?

Not exactly.
Disney looked at a Kuka arm based concept for Incredibles, but unlike HP, it included more physical sets than film. Not sure why they dumped it, unless it was money.
The conecpt at Uni that became HP, started life as a ride based on the Van Helsing film. It was modified (quite a lot) and given a HP theme.

 

[wdwmagic]

Not exactly.
Disney looked at a Kuka arm based concept for Incredibles, but unlike HP, it included more physical sets than film. Not sure why they dumped it, unless it was money.
The conecpt at Uni that became HP, started life as a ride based on the Van Helsing film. It was modified (quite a lot) and given a HP theme.

I understood it was capacity that killed it.

 

[wdwmagic]

The ride concept was very similar to Harry Potter Forbidden Journey, maybe it was like Beastly Kingdom? Disney wouldn't build it, then the ride concept ended up at Universal where they would spend the money to build it?

I don't really think thats the case. Are you referring to Dueling Dragons? That cost far less than what AK ultimately ended up with in Expedition Everest. Despite what a lot of people on here say, there are more to a lot of decisions that just money. When required, Disney are more than up to spending the big money - Cars Land, Test Track, Mission Space, Everest, Tower or Terror, Indy, Splash Mountain - all amongst the most expensive park attractions ever built.

 

[Lee]

I understood it was capacity that killed it.

Could well have been, though Uni seems to have figure out how to move a lot of guests through a Kuka-based ride.
It's a shame. I'd love to see what Tony B. had come up with there.

 

[ttalovebug]

:ROFLOL:You are taking this waaaay too seriously! I mean, I understand what you are saying, but the fact you "will not set foot in the Seas pavilion again until the ride is de-Nemoified, nor will I purchase any Nemo related media or toys" is a bit much IMO! Before Nemo, that pavilion was extremely dull, and we never went there. Now, it's a must for every trip!

You have much to learn, padawan.

 

[_Scar]

Do people actually like the previous ride better than Nemo residing or is it just Nemo doesnt belong in Epcot and themeless sea needs to be a themeless sea pavillion?

 

[disneysroyal411]

_Scar, the numbers in your signature ruined my JC adventure on my last Disney Vacation. The skipper wouldn't shut up about them or drop Lost jokes, it was annoying.

 

[_Scar]

Maybe you should watch Lost then?

 

[disneysroyal411]

I like the Nemo ride! It was a smart move to get young people back in the the ride and boost the attendance of the ride.

 

[Lee]

Do people actually like the previous ride better than Nemo residing or is it just Nemo doesnt belong in Epcot and themeless sea needs to be a themeless sea pavillion?

The Living Seas was never "themeless" any more than it is now.

The previous encarnation of Living Seas was tired. It was dated and needed an upgrade. This was obvious due to the lack of guests it was attracting.
Much of what it offered could be found at Sea World on a larger scale.
(Granted, by this point the Sea Cabs were closed and much of the Seabase Alpha story was lost....)

The correct (as I see it) move would have been to fully refurbish the pavillion, bring back the Seabase story and theme, and reopen an newer, enhanced version of the Sea Cabs.
Removing all of the Future World theming, the Seabase theme, and replacing it with an unrelated rehash of the Nemo story was wrong.
("We got a pavillion about the sea...fish live in the sea...Nemo is a fish...it's perfect! And hey! Spaceship Earth! A spaceship! There was one of those in Wall-E! Let's put Wall-E in that one! They used screams for energy in Monsters Inc! Energy! It's a perfect fit! And then we can put Lightning and Mater in Test Track! )
Yes, more guests visit the pavillion than before, but mostly because they hear there is some sort of Nemo ride in there, not because they want to learn about the man's history and future with the sea. It has become something that is out of place in a park that was designed to be visionary and forward-looking.

_Scar, the numbers in your signature ruined my JC adventure on my last Disney Vacation. The skipper wouldn't shut up about them or drop Lost jokes, it was annoying.

Sir, you are obviously mistaken.
Nothing about Lost can ever be annoying in any way. Scientific tests have proven that adding a Lost reference to anything increases it's value and entertainment level by approximately 37.4598%. True fact.

It was a smart move to get young people back in the the ride and boost the attendance of the ride.

It was completely the wrong way to do it.

 

[Brian Noble]

It has become something that is out of place in a park that was designed to be visionary and forward-looking.

It was visionary. It was forward-looking.

When I was a teenager, it was also BORING.*

(* okay, I thought living with the land was kind of cool, but only because of the hydroponics.)

 

[disneysroyal411]

To make the Living Seas Exciting, they should have put in a submarine ride like 20K in or something.

 

[imagineer boy]

The Living Seas was never "themeless" any more than it is now.

The previous encarnation of Living Seas was tired. It was dated and needed an upgrade. This was obvious due to the lack of guests it was attracting.
Much of what it offered could be found at Sea World on a larger scale.
(Granted, by this point the Sea Cabs were closed and much of the Seabase Alpha story was lost....)

The correct (as I see it) move would have been to fully refurbish the pavillion, bring back the Seabase story and theme, and reopen an newer, enhanced version of the Sea Cabs.
Removing all of the Future World theming, the Seabase theme, and replacing it with an unrelated rehash of the Nemo story was wrong.
("We got a pavillion about the sea...fish live in the sea...Nemo is a fish...it's perfect! And hey! Spaceship Earth! A spaceship! There was one of those in Wall-E! Let's put Wall-E in that one! They used screams for energy in Monsters Inc! Energy! It's a perfect fit! And then we can put Lightning and Mater in Test Track! )
Yes, more guests visit the pavillion than before, but mostly because they hear there is some sort of Nemo ride in there, not because they want to learn about the man's history and future with the sea. It has become something that is out of place in a park that was designed to be visionary and forward-looking.

Agreed completly. I think there was a ton of potential to give TLS a huge 21st century upgrade rather than just slapping a character overlay on it.

 

[RSoxNo1]

They VERY seriously looked at the Incredibles for Tomorrowland.

Not exactly.
Disney looked at a Kuka arm based concept for Incredibles, but unlike HP, it included more physical sets than film. Not sure why they dumped it, unless it was money.
The conecpt at Uni that became HP, started life as a ride based on the Van Helsing film. It was modified (quite a lot) and given a HP theme.

I understood it was capacity that killed it.

Could well have been, though Uni seems to have figure out how to move a lot of guests through a Kuka-based ride.
It's a shame. I'd love to see what Tony B. had come up with there.

I'm fairly sure the Iger quote came out around the time of Ratatouille, which is ironic because he pointedly said they wouldn't make a Ratatouille ride.

Either way, I had read that The Incredibles attraction would have used the Kuka technology and have various levels of intensity. I had also read that it was going to go in the area of Carousel of Progress, but that doesn't make a lot of sense with the easily moveable cast member parking lot next door.

I would guess, money and throughput are the biggest issues behind using the Kuka technology, and I anticipate that this will be a problem with Potter World. They need a really detailed queue because the lines are going to get very long.

 

[marni1971]

like almost all of Walt Disney Studios it is just a cheap alternative to boost capacity.

Ain`t that the truth.

Anyway... back to the topic. Oh yeah. It isn`t.