july 4th and return to normal.

[CntrlFlPete]

The CDC has been wrong more than they have been right through this entire thing. Here is a new study that should shake things up a bit.

Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis - PMC

Many countries across the globe utilized medical and non-medical facemasks as non-pharmaceutical intervention for reducing the transmission and infectivity of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Yes, I truly believe the CDC has had many missteps. In general, I was responding to someone who asked why folks would wear a mask outside.

The reason folks are asked to wear a mask outside during this pandemic is to help slow COVID-19's spread.

There are studies that show mask can have an impact.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7007e1.htm?s_cid=mm7007e1_x

I'd love to see a return to normal by the 7/4 and I hope it is an old normal and not some sort of new normal -- but FL's cases went up by what 15% this week?

Really just here to talk about a theme park. They will relax their policy when they are ready to.

 

[spock8113]

Return to "normal" makes me laugh. "Normal" is still a year away. My question is, "Have we learned anything?" (got my 2nd Pfizer shot today) Like the 1918 Pandemic we learned a whole lot. The problem is peoples memories are short and the human condition is full of hubris.
In five years we'll all be going "What pandemic? And just who is Anthony Fauci?" This is the classic Disney mindset, smile and tune it all out because it's easier to deal with. The problem is, you can't live like that or history WILL repeat itself.

 

[tpac24]

Yes, I truly believe the CDC has had many missteps. In general, I was responding to someone who asked why folks would wear a mask outside.

The reason folks are asked to wear a mask outside during this pandemic is to help slow COVID-19's spread.

There are studies that show mask can have an impact.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7007e1.htm?s_cid=mm7007e1_x

I'd love to see a return to normal by the 7/4 and I hope it is an old normal and not some sort of new normal -- but FL's cases went up by what 15% this week?

Really just here to talk about a theme park. They will relax their policy when they are ready to.

And now there are several new studies that show they don't ! They phrase "follow the science" cracks me up because some aspects of science are change daily.

 

[tpac24]

Return to "normal" makes me laugh. "Normal" is still a year away. My question is, "Have we learned anything?" (got my 2nd Pfizer shot today) Like the 1918 Pandemic we learned a whole lot. The problem is peoples memories are short and the human condition is full of hubris.
In five years we'll all be going "What pandemic? And just who is Anthony Fauci?" This is the classic Disney mindset, smile and tune it all out because it's easier to deal with. The problem is, you can't live like that or history WILL repeat itself.

Maybe where you live but in my state and many others it really is business as usual.

 

[marni1971]

Maybe where you live but in my state and many others it really is business as usual.

Very telling.

 

[tpac24]

Very telling.

I don't know what you mean by that but it is telling in terms of our positive cases which are really low. So low most school districts have dropped their mask mandate and there are no restrictions on gatherings or capacities in restaurants or businesses . Also Proms , athletic events and graduations are occurring.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

By 7/4, I would think that every American that wants a vaccination will have received one. Couple that with those that don't want a vaccination but have antibodies from having contracted the virus will lead to herd immunity. Which should mean increased capacity and lower restrictions throughout the country and at WDW.

That's great, but I honestly want to know how long the immunity lasts post vaccine?
I have a friend who just got her 2nd shot (and was deathly ill and missed work) and she was told that she might need a booster in 3 months! What? Has anyone heard how long immunity is going to be?

 

[yonafunu]

That's great, but I honestly want to know how long the immunity lasts post vaccine?
I have a friend who just got her 2nd shot (and was deathly ill and missed work) and she was told that she might need a booster in 3 months! What? Has anyone heard how long immunity is going to be?

for now we know the vaccine immunity lasts at least 8 months (first vaccines in trial tests). The immunity decreases very slowly, it is why MAYBE we will need another shoot each year. This is very good news indeed.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

for now we know the vaccine immunity lasts at least 8 months (first vaccines in trial tests). The immunity decreases very slowly, it is why MAYBE we will need another shoot each year. This is very good news indeed.

You see, that's what's so confusing. Apparently, here people are being told 3 months, or even 6 weeks? It's crazy. There seems to be different answers in different states.

 

[SplashJacket]

That's great, but I honestly want to know how long the immunity lasts post vaccine?
I have a friend who just got her 2nd shot (and was deathly ill and missed work) and she was told that she might need a booster in 3 months! What? Has anyone heard how long immunity is going to be?

The "You will need a booster in 3 months, 6 months, a year, etc" is nothing but fear-mongering. We don't know exactly how long immunity lasts because the vaccines have only been in people's arms for so long. We know for absolute certain that it lasts at least x amount of time, but it is likely far far longer than that.

The reason you will need to get a 3rd vaccine in the near future (2022) would be to account for variants.

As for being deathly ill, I can't speak on her account, but out of everyone I know that has gotten the vaccine, I've had the worst side effects (bed-ridden for a day with a 103 fever), but I would gladly do it again. Felt a bit worse than when you have a bad flu, but the reality is, you get to choose when you want to feel ill for a bit, and it's only for a day or so.

The last time I had the flu, I missed a whole week of class at a very bad time. When you get a vaccine, you can schedule it however you like and you get to choose when you will potentially feel ill.

Even then, it's only a small minority of people that actually feel ill to the point of inactivity.

 

[marni1971]

You see, that's what's so confusing. Apparently, here people are being told 3 months, or even 6 weeks? It's crazy. There seems to be different answers in different states.

No one knows yet.

What seems more certain is we will all need a booster shot at least annually.

 

[tpac24]

Wellll? DW & I live in MI. We are both now fully vaccinated (Moderna).

What WE chose to do... never enter any building without being fully masked. Avoid people unless they are fully vaccinated. STAY HOME.
MI is dead-on contamination central. We also lack data as to our ability to infect others . And we would never wish to do that .

It's not that bad... we are retired, use SHIPT-Amazon-Chewy... we can easily hide for quite a while .
NOV 2021 - we already have DVC ressies, Delta flights for WDW. Killer variant shows up, or no WDW value? We will cancel again. I confess - we would be a lot happier if WDW instituted a vaccination check for all of property .

"All personal opinion - I'm not necessarily right, no one else is necessarily wrong."

As someone who has gotten the vaccine I couldn't disagree with any one statement more. Their bodies their choice. What a slippery slope we are gathering on!

 

[CntrlFlPete]

The cdc

correct. WDW's mask policy is based on CDC recommendations (Disney's labor unions would have it no other way).

So, when talking about mask, social distancing, things like that (at WDW), seeing where the CDC stands is a good place (in my opinion) to get a feel for where they stand (as I truly believe WDW does care about what the CDC is recommending).

 

[CaptainAmerica]

correct. WDW's mask policy is based on CDC recommendations (Disney's labor unions would have it no other way).

Which is hilarious because, anecdotally, the cast members I talked to all hate the masks as much as guests do.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm oddly optimistic that before summer ends masks will be gone.
I'm definitely preparing myself for being required to wear one for my late August trip but also hoping that I don't have to.
I live in the Buffalo NY area and cases were going up for about 3 weeks but seem like maybe the are leveling off and will start going back down.
I really think that this "wave" will not be as high or as devastating and then things will start turning around quickly.

masks aren’t leaving this year.

It is a mess already. Resorts Such as CBR, CSR slammed with guests some waiting in until 7pm to check into their rooms. Check in is advertised at 3pm.

that’s always been a thing at moderates. What do you mean “check in”? Isn’t it virtual?

or do you mean lack of housekeeping

This makes me think by the 50th it’s really their goal to be at 100%

what year? I know you’re not suggesting this one?

Keep the masks, keep the park attendance limits, but bring back the fireworks.

nope...last thing they should do is Lump people together and put mass stupidity on display.

 

[bdearl41]

masks aren’t leaving this year.



that’s always been a thing at moderates. What do you mean “check in”? Isn’t it virtual?

or do you mean lack of housekeeping




what year? I know you’re not suggesting this one?



nope...last thing they should do is Lump people together and put mass stupidity on display.

Yea. I would say I think WDWs hopeful
Goal is 100% capacity by October. There is literally nothing that indicates that’s impossible

 

[bdearl41]

As someone who has gotten the vaccine I couldn't disagree with any one statement more. Their bodies their choice. What a slippery slope we are gathering on!

Gotta agree. Some people aren’t able to get the vaccine due to health reasons. They should t be eliminated from living their life. As a vaccinated person yea I want my life back but not at the cost of keeping others from living theirs. Once everyone has had a couple months of access to the vaccine the onus falls on the individual and no longer the collective. That’s just my take.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yea. I would say I think WDWs hopeful
Goal is 100% capacity by October. There is literally nothing that indicates that’s impossible

maybe...100% capacity requires some type of fastpass system -however. Unless it’s 1992 attendance levels.

the place will be a disaster without crowd management. Can’t put genie back in the bottle.

 

[bdearl41]

maybe...100% capacity requires some type of fastpass system -however. Unless it’s 1992 attendance levels.

the place will be a disaster without crowd management. Can’t put genie back in the bottle.

In the end it comes down to the question of what Disney wants. Because all other parks will be 100% by then most likely.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In the end it comes down to the question of what Disney wants. Because all other parks will be 100% by then most likely.

I’m not disagreeing with you

but what I keep telling everyone is that crowd management is not optional anymore. Not at 2019 attendance levels.

there where 15,000,000 more gate clicks in 19 than the last year before fastpass (1998)...it’s required now...not a “luxury”

Something has to give before “full capacity”. Even though I loved it 2 weeks ago. Attendance was still very “light” by modern standards.