Then add a few months for everyone to have had both doses and resilience to have built up.
It won’t just happen overnight. Or within a week.
Nor will it be eradicated. But it will be livable with on the most part.
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It won’t just happen overnight. Or within a week.
Nor will it be eradicated. But it will be livable with on the most part.
Santa Raccoon 77
Thank you sir. You were an inspiration.
Nope . Once the vaccine is in then everything is good to go and bye bye to all these Draconian restrictions that are making everyone live in fear over the flu.
Poseidon Quest
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Oh okay, good point. If you're in a crowded park with wall to wall people, it's okay to have your mask off in open air because breathing and sneezing on them with become ineffective. Is that how you interpreted this information?
CntrlFlPete
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There is plenty of evidence that the virus is airborne and there is plenty of air outside. My point was proximity and the fact that it can be difficult to social distance at many bottleneck points at an amusement park.
I too am fully vaccinated, I still care about others, I'd still like to see the variations slow down, I'd like to see if this herd immunity idea is workable -- it would have been nice to have stopped the virus, to not need yearly boosters -- so, although I am vaccinated, I'd still like to see this thing stopped instead of (potentially) helping it continue to spread (by coughing in the wind).
This bit I agree with.
In the meantime here’s some light reading. In your money too.
Can I get COVID even after I've received the vaccine? (Answer: Maybe, but probably not)
Testing positive for COVID after you've been vaccinated against it seems unfair, somehow. But while it can happen, it's extremely rare.
www.palmbeachpost.com
Risk of COVID very low in vaccinated medical workers: study
And in my money:
By how much has UKâs vaccine progress reduced Covid risk?
People can still catch Covid, become ill and pass it on to others even after being immunised
www.theguardian.com
In short it’s too soon for concrete numbers. Or to know the risk of the possibility of being asymtamatkc after being vaccinated.
also, an interesting quote worth remembering
“Keep in mind that if you're fully vaccinated, your risk of getting COVID-19 might be low. But if you become infected, you might spread the disease to others even if you don’t have signs or symptoms of COVID-19. This could be dangerous for people who are unvaccinated and at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19 include older adults and people with certain underlying conditions.”
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bdearl41
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This bit I agree with.
In the meantime here’s some light reading. In your money too.
Can I get COVID even after I've received the vaccine? (Answer: Maybe, but probably not)
Testing positive for COVID after you've been vaccinated against it seems unfair, somehow. But while it can happen, it's extremely rare.www.palmbeachpost.com
Risk of COVID very low in vaccinated medical workers: study
www.cidrap.umn.edu
And in my money:
By how much has UKâs vaccine progress reduced Covid risk?
People can still catch Covid, become ill and pass it on to others even after being immunised
In short it’s too soon for concrete numbers. Or to know the risk of the possibility of being asymtamatkc after being vaccinated.
also, an interesting quote worth remembering
“Keep in mind that if you're fully vaccinated, your risk of getting COVID-19 might be low. But if you become infected, you might spread the disease to others even if you don’t have signs or symptoms of COVID-19. This could be dangerous for people who are unvaccinated and at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19 include older adults and people with certain underlying conditions.”
CDC says fewer than 6,000 Americans have contracted Covid after being fully vaccinated
U.S. officials have confirmed fewer than 6,000 cases of Covid-19 in fully vaccinated Americans, just 0.007% of the 84 million Americans with full protection.
You mean the people that CHOOSE not to get vaccinatedThis bit I agree with.
In the meantime here’s some light reading. In your money too.
Can I get COVID even after I've received the vaccine? (Answer: Maybe, but probably not)
Testing positive for COVID after you've been vaccinated against it seems unfair, somehow. But while it can happen, it's extremely rare.www.palmbeachpost.com
Risk of COVID very low in vaccinated medical workers: study
And in my money:
By how much has UKâs vaccine progress reduced Covid risk?
People can still catch Covid, become ill and pass it on to others even after being immunised
In short it’s too soon for concrete numbers. Or to know the risk of the possibility of being asymtamatkc after being vaccinated.
also, an interesting quote worth remembering
“Keep in mind that if you're fully vaccinated, your risk of getting COVID-19 might be low. But if you become infected, you might spread the disease to others even if you don’t have signs or symptoms of COVID-19. This could be dangerous for people who are unvaccinated and at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19. People at increased risk of severe illness from COVID-19 include older adults and people with certain underlying conditions.”
Exactly. It’s too early to have concrete figures.CDC says fewer than 6,000 Americans have contracted Covid after being fully vaccinated
U.S. officials have confirmed fewer than 6,000 cases of Covid-19 in fully vaccinated Americans, just 0.007% of the 84 million Americans with full protection.www.cnbc.com
No, I don’t mean either group.
bdearl41
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See I’m one who thinks 84 million is a sizeable case study
Listen, I’d love for that to be right and be right exponentially. I’d love for this to be over. We cancelled last years trip. We don’t want to have to cancel this years. But any sensible person knows this won’t just suddenly be over or that we won’t have to learn to live with it for years to come.
Or worse complacency now would start it all again. Things are starting to improve. Things will be better by July 4th with luck. But not the normal we had 18 months ago. That’s being realistic.
For the record we’re being jabbed on Saturday and can’t wait.
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Sizable, yes. But the length of time this has been available is still way too short to know what can and will happen in 12 months or more. There are still many unknowns. To say otherwise is ignorant of reality.
Ellen Ripley
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well, the vaccines seem not to work on organ recipients
we launched a national study of vaccine immune responses in immunosuppressed solid organ transplant recipients. Among 436 COVID-naïve participants who received a first dose of mRNA vaccine, only 17% mounted detectable antibodies to SARS-CoV-2. This is in stark contrast to immunocompetent people who were vaccinated, of whom 100% mounted detectable antibody; that was true for people who had received either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine. We also found that those taking anti-metabolites, such as mycophenolate or azathioprine, were about five times less likely to develop antibody responses (8.75% detectable antibody in those taking anti-metabolites versus 41.4% in those not taking them).
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/vaccines/91631
SplashJacket
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If you want a widespread real-world test on the effects of the vaccine, I would just take a peek at Israel
CntrlFlPete
Well-Known Member
not sure I follow? The CDC recommends the wearing of mask anytime in crowds where one cannot social distance (including outside and including folks who have been vaccinated). Theme parks are places that draw crowds and are places where it is tough to social distance.
I do not see that as political science.
The only reason folks were asked to wear mask was to slow the spread. The spread has not slowed to an acceptable level at this point for the CDC to change the mask wearing recommendations.
bdearl41
Well-Known Member
The current CDC remember was the one preaching doom just a few weeks ago. Of which we are going down in cases from. They’re far more political than you may think. Also it’s worth looking into this study published at the NIH.
Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis - PMC
Many countries across the globe utilized medical and non-medical facemasks as non-pharmaceutical intervention for reducing the transmission and infectivity of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
we currently find ourselves at a point where fear of a new virus is driving us to a totalitarian view on how life needs to be balanced. There has to be balance. Life is inherently unsafe. We have to accept that.
Chi84
Premium Member
The spread may not be slowing as fast as we would like, but vaccinated people are not getting or spreading COVID. And that’s according to the CDC report that a vaccinated person has a 0.008% chance of getting COVID. The CDC will probably have to change its recommendations soon if it wants to retain any credibility.
Instead of counting the number of cases, it will be a moment when, because of the vaccination, the number of deaths/day will be insignifiant (in comparison with others stuffs, accident, or even simply the seasonal flu). We are focus on the number of case today because we know 2/3 weeks after we will have a peak of deaths. But in 2/3 months, the number of deaths will be very low because of the Covid, and the only fear will be an hypothetical new variant. In my mind, i truly believe the restrictions will be lift as quickly as the covid19 arrival. I bet an Halloween and Christmas season wonderful (in North America and Europe at least...) without mask in outdoor...maybe without indoor if the results are as good as Israel results.
The CDC has been wrong more than they have been right through this entire thing. Here is a new study that should shake things up a bit.
Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis - PMC
Many countries across the globe utilized medical and non-medical facemasks as non-pharmaceutical intervention for reducing the transmission and infectivity of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov